Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elliot Ikilei


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The result was keep. Tone 21:49, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Elliot Ikilei

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Doesn't meet notability requirements of WP:POLITICIAN. Has no chance of ever being elected. -- haminoon  ( talk ) 20:24, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 20:49, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New Zealand-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 20:49, 18 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment To be notable, the subject (broadly speaking) needs significant coverage by independent reliable sources. Of the 18 sources cited in the article, 11 are independent of the subject. At least 10 of these are from reliable sources. So it comes down to substantial coverage. Some are certainly not substantial, mentioning Ikilei in passing (or sometimes not at all). Others provide more detailed coverage. The most substantial coverage of Ikilei comes from Spinoff (2019), Stuff (2017), Newshub (2020), and Spinoff (2018).


 * I am not certain that these sources are substantial, but it is reasonable to argue that they do, and I would welcome discussion on this point.


 * Finally, your statement that Ikelei "has no chance of ever being elected" isn't relevant. Firstly, possible future events are irrelevant for notability today. Secondly, you cited WP:POLITICIAN which in its criteria doesn't require election to be notable. HenryCrun15 (talk) 21:31, 18 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks, HenryCrun15. I agree with your points. Will be happy to search for more independent source such as news media in order to strengthen the article's case for inclusion. Elliot Ikilei has attracted some media coverage from mainstream New Zealand media outlets though not on the same level as politicians from parties represented in Parliament. Will do my best to save the article. Andykatib 21:56, 18 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Elliot Ikilei has a chance of winning the Takanini seat. It may be a low chance, but he is well known there as a youth worker for 10+ years. (Sorry for not logging in, I'm an extremely rare editor these days). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.98.125.97 (talk) 10:48, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:GNG as well as WP:Politician. Insufficient coverage to be notable. NealeFamily (talk) 06:02, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep The additions to the article since the AfD nomination bring it clearly over the GNG threshold.  Schwede 66  15:40, 24 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep When this article was nominated for deletion, there were already four independent, reliable sources with some levels of coverage. Since then, more such sources have been added, particularly the Times article. I consider these sources provide substantial coverage on the subject and so the subject is notable. HenryCrun15 (talk) 22:14, 24 August 2020 (UTC)


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