Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elliott Marc Jones


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The result was delete. Mz7 (talk) 06:07, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Elliott Marc Jones

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This was a bit borderline, so I'm taking this to AfD as opposed to speedy deleting it. Ultimately what we have here is someone who has a game that's moderately popular on Steam, but whose work has yet to really gain any sort of coverage in independent and reliable source.

Here's a rundown of the sourcing:


 * 1) Tilting at Pixels. This is an interview with a WP:SPS. Interviews tend to be greatly depreciated on Wikipedia since some editors tend to see them as a WP:PRIMARY source, especially as not all publications fact check claims made during the interview. Beyond that, I'm not sure that the website would be seen as a RS on here, as there's not much on the site about their editorial processes and the other things that we'd need to know in order for it to be considered a WP:RS.
 * 2) IndieGameStand. This is an interview on a site that sells the game, so this would at best be considered a primary source since the site stands to benefit from publicizing the game. It even closes out with a note that you can purchase the game on their site. Primary sources cannot show notability regardless of how long the source is or what type it may be.
 * 3) Extreme Rankup. This one might have been usable, however what stood out was that this site offers advertising by way of sponsored posts. This is one of those things that can make a site unusable pretty quickly. Even if we count it as usable, it's fairly brief and I have to say that I raise an eyebrow at Jones being listed as 2017's most influential gamer, considering that it's only March and he's listed alongside extremely well known millionaires, especially as the coverage for him overall is very, very light.
 * 4) How To Online Income. This is a blog and it looks like it also offers marketing packages and is run by a marketing company.
 * 5) Reddit. This is a Reddit post about the product key revoke. This is considered to be a forum post and wouldn't be considered a notability giving RS since anyone can post on Reddit. I'm not saying that the post is wrong, just that we can't use things of that nature as a RS to show notability. We can typically only use this as a source in very, very specific situations and even those are limited, such as AMAs posted by a verified person or events on Reddit that have been reported on by secondary RS.
 * 6) Steam. This is a Steam post by Jones and as such, would be considered primary and cannot show notability.

Ultimately what we have here is a person who just doesn't pass notability guidelines. His game is popular on Steam but popularity doesn't give notability on Wikipedia. It only makes it more likely that something will be covered, but it isn't a guarantee - there are a ton of very popular games that never gain enough coverage to justify inclusion. I just couldn't find anything very substantial for this guy or the game. There are no reviews on Metacritic and I can't see where there's much coverage anywhere for the game, its developer, or his advertising company. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  15:14, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Notable indeed in Steam world; biut that's only a little universe in a far more general one, which the given sources do not support. A WP:BEFORE search indcates that, in fact, the only GNews mention of him is when he tweeted about a man falling off a shopping centre balcony... &mdash;  O Fortuna!   Imperatrix mundi.  15:35, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:11, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete - Lack of coverage in WP:VG/S-type reliable sources. It also doesn't help that most of the article focuses on "how amazing his game was" (it doesn't have an article) and his big "controversy" (which is sourced to Reddit and Steam discussion boards and also has no article.) And before anyone goes off to start those articles, I don't believe any combination of the person/game/controversy meet the WP:GNG. Sergecross73   msg me  15:53, 8 March 2017 (UTC)


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