Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elm City rivalry


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The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. ✗ plicit  23:24, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Elm City rivalry

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This doesn't appear to meet the WP:NRIVALRY. Let&#39;srun (talk) 18:20, 27 November 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  23:28, 4 December 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 16:40, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sports, American football,  and Connecticut. Let&#39;srun (talk) 18:20, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Not much time to search now, but The Southern News has an article on it that notes that "One of the best rivalries in the NE10 Conference is between Southern and the University of New Haven, the Elm City rivalry". BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:22, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Southern News and The Charger Bulletin are the student-run newspapers at Southern Connecticut University and the University of New Haven. They are therefore not WP:INDEPENDENT and get little or no weight in assessing whether the topic passes WP:GNG. In this case both schools compete in Division II, which is the third tier of college football below FBS and FCS. Moreover, neither program has a history of particular prominence even at the Division II or College Division levels. Purported rivalries between such lower-level programs with no real history of prominence are not necessarily notable. See WP:NRIVALRY ("Sports rivalries are not presumed notable.") My searches turned up some coverage of the basketball series, but a quick review didn't turn up anything of real depth about a football rivalry, just a couple brief passages. See this and this. If others come up with more/better coverage, I'll keep an open mind. Cbl62 (talk) 22:24, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Delete. Lack of actually, independent coverage as either a series of games (the actual topic of the article) or an alleged "rivalry". It's clear that the game series exists, but it is not an independently notable subject and should just be covered in brief at the articles on the teams or at the indistitutional articles under sections about sports/atheletics departments. The first source in the article is in-depth, but is not independent; the second is irrelevant to the subject (just a source for a particular date, and mentions only one team/institution and no "rivalry"). The third source, above, lacks depth and just mentions the "rivalry" then gives brief coverage of a specific game, while being dominated by notices of upcoming and unrelated events.As laid out in detail at User:SMcCandlish/Rivalry game mess, this is yet another case where the notion of rivalry game (an organized series of matches between two teams with a degree of geographical proximity, often but not always with a trophy and often but not always with a distinct name, sometimes with "Rivalry" in it) has been sorely confused with that of sport[s] rivalry (a sports subculture of antagonism between the fandoms of two teams). This is reparable with a bunch of article renaming and recategorization to account for the ambiguity (which has arisen because rivalry game is often reduced to rivalry as a shorthand in unclear sports journalism), and probably something that needs to be proposed for cleanup work at WT:SPORT.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  17:54, 14 December 2023 (UTC)


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