Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elmo M. Haney


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Bishonen &#124; talk 21:09, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Elmo M. Haney

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See military notability guidelines. Does not meet guidelines as not listed as a general officer and not having received the Medal of Honor. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:25, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
 * The criteria you listed above are not the only for notable military personnel. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk)` —Preceding undated comment added 05:30, February 7, 2017‎ (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Mz7 (talk) 13:01, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Mz7 (talk) 13:01, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Arkansas-related deletion discussions. Mz7 (talk) 13:01, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mz7 (talk) 13:01, 14 February 2017 (UTC) ^Keep - I believe that the article should be kept and expanded. Notability of a military person does not solely rely on the fact that the person may have been awarded the Medal of Honor or that said person was a General. There are other factors which may indicate that the person is or was notable. According to my understanding, Haney is featured in several books for his role in World War II and actor Gary Sweet portrayed him in the HBO miniseries The Pacific. I may be wrong but, I think that he must have been notable for such recognition's. Tony the Marine (talk) 20:33, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete - Non-notable per WP:SOLDIER.-- Jim in Georgia  Contribs  Talk  16:23, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment - It should also be noted that the military notability guidelines is actually an esssay of opinions and not policy. The same essay states the following:

Tony the Marine (talk) 22:37, 14 February 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete. NCO with a single third-level gallantry decoration. No reason whatsoever to keep per WP:SOLDIER, which although an essay is an accepted notability standard for military biographical articles. How many millions of NCOs with gallantry decorations are there? Why is he especially notable? Being portrayed onscreen is not an indicator of notability unless as a central character. Neither is being mentioned in books unless a significant book is specifically about him. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:59, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Weak keep - I've added some details from two articles from 1944 from the Arkansas Gazette digitized by genealogy bank (which doesn't have a clippings function). One of the articles (the October 17, 1944 one) is about five inches entirely about Haney, the other is about a few different soldiers and gives Haney one paragraph, about two inches. I've also added two articles which give Haney passing mention. The 1944 articles give weak support for notability, as does his being a significant character in Sledge 2007 and receiving the third highest award for valor. Google books also has more books which talk about him under search terms, "Elmo Haney" and "Pop Haney", which gives more support for notability. With all this in mind, I think he satisfies notability, as while the Sledge isn't completely independent, nor completely secondary (and 1944 Arkansas newspaper articles may also not be completely independent and secondary), I think the total body of sources and depth do pass the spirit of notability (ie WP:WHYN). Smmurphy(Talk) 22:07, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - he is notable not for any specific aspect or event, but rather for sum of factors. With the Old Breed, a book recognized as one of the best first-hand accounts of combat during WWII, covers Pop Haney and his role in some of the pivotal battles. He is noted as someone who influenced the Marines who fought in these battle. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 13:21, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh (talk) 21:07, 22 February 2017 (UTC)


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