Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eloise Hawking


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The result was   redirect to Characters of Lost. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 00:15, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Eloise Hawking

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This character has no impact on the real world. No reason to create a character for every single character of a TV series. There tenths of characters appearing in this show and 99% of the information put here is just rephrases of plot summaries of episodes already in wikipedia. Magioladitis (talk) 00:43, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge As a supporting character in a reasonably important series, the material should be merged. I often suggest that the entire content should be merged, but this is not one of those times; the content is excessively detailed. Not knowing the series, I don't want to try to edit it down, but I'd suspect about 1/4 of the present length might be right. There is no real reason to insist on these being separate articles. Tell the plot by way of the characters can be a clear approach to complicated stories, so even if the material can be figured out from the episode sections, that  is not a reason to delete character articles and sections.  Articles like this should not be written--nor should they be deleted. There is a middle way of doing it. DGG (talk) 02:32, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Strip and Merge/Redirect I agree with DGG here. I think the article is problematic because it cites episodes directly, not secondary sources written about the subject/character as an encyclopedia article needs to.  (WP is not a fan wiki and I think it is problematic to write huge articles about fictional characters citing only TV episodes!)  A quick search shows some sources: .  Is this enough to justify notability and write a full standalone article?  I don't really know.  I do know it would be easy to split the article back off if it grows to considerable size.  I would like to see the article basically gutted and merged though.  Cazort (talk) 02:38, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge the info here back into Characters of Lost where it came from and belongs. Not notable enough to have her own article, it sets a precedent for other unnecessary articles to be created also Tphi (talk) 03:22, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.  --   Neu  tralle  11:05, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep She is a significant character in an extremely popular series, and there is enough information about her to warrant her own article.  D r e a m Focus  21:36, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Is there any magasine or newspaper that characterises this character as "significant"? -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:05, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Can you find one person who has seen all the episodes, who would disagree with me that she was significant? If not, the rule of common sense applies.   D r e a m Focus  00:31, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, i have seen all the episodes, and while i think the character is significant to the plot, i don't see why she should have her own article. to merge it with the rest of the secondary characters would be just fine.--Camilorojas (talk) 11:09, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Because the article wouldn't fit anywhere else. You'd lose 90% of it.  Since there won't be any information copied over that isn't already there, any vote for merge will mean delete, so call it such.  The article is fine the way it is, no need to destroy it.   D r e a m Focus  18:07, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * you'd lose 90% of it because 90% of it is plot from the series. the other 10% is ok if we were to merge the article with "characters of lost"... merge and delete are not, as you say, the same. i'll be right behind you if eloise starts making regular appearances and the character starts being really relevant (it seems like she will)--Camilorojas (talk) 22:58, 18 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Merge and redirect. She's played a fairly large role in season 5, but only appeared once (?) before that. The article seems overly detailed, and sourcing seems to be problematic - I thought we weren't supposed to use Wikipedia as a reference? All but one of the references are Wikipedia articles. Cheers, This flag once was redpropagandadeeds 23:34, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Redirect as I do not recall there being any interviews with the actress about the character; thus, it will be hard to give a real world perspective. I do not say merge because she already has a short entry at Characters of Lost.  – thedemonhog   talk  •  edits  17:48, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Redirect. I agree with Magioladitis, not every character should get its own wiki. even less a minor one.--Camilorojas (talk) 11:09, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Redirect to the Characters of Lost article, character has not had significant mention outside of Lost. Loves  Macs  (talk) 17:24, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Redirect for now, might be significant but more sources and information are needed to prove this. It is, however, incorrect to say she has never spoken of the character or series. She appeared on Tubridy Tonight in February 2007 and "talked about the excitement in Hawaii surrounding the programme's very secretive filming process". I don't know if the clip is available outside Ireland though but I'm sure somebody will try to view it. This was over two years ago so I'm sure there must be some more recent examples as her character has developed. -- can  dle &bull; wicke  21:12, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Question. Did anyone actually check for sources? I found some quite easily on Google which might be of some small help. Kansas City Star LA Times The Washington Post The New York Times Digital Spy San Francisco Chronicle – "From nice shop lady in "The Constant" to killer mom in "The Variable." :-o -- can  dle &bull; wicke  21:31, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Aye, I had a google. I found a few "last night on TV" pieces, but nothing that really established Eloise's significance. Surprising, really, because I think Eloise has been one of the more significant roles this season. I'm still dubious as to whether she's significant over the whole 5 seasons, however - with or without references. Cheers, This flag once was redpropagandadeeds 22:08, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge back into Characters of Lost- There are no third-party references, no out-of-universe information (development, reception, etc.) and no assertion of notability. There may be a few sources that can be used to expand the article, but I can't really see anything more than stub left once all the fluff is removed. --Jackieboy87 (talk · contribs) 22:13, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.