Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elsa Marshall-Hall


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The result was redirect to George Marshall-Hall. Eddie891 Talk Work 01:22, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Elsa Marshall-Hall

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The subject did some minor things, but I can't find anything that would constitute sufficient notability for WP:GNG or WP:COMPOSER, including searching for coverage in Trove. If not delete then WP:REDIRECT to her father George Marshall-Hall which already mentions her. Boneymau (talk) 23:12, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Boneymau (talk) 23:12, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
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Firstly, let me say that I started the Elsa Marshall-Hall page and, prior to that, I added the "Family" section to the George Marshall-Hall page. This section does include some details that I later transferred to the Elsa Marshall-Hall page.

I am most surprised that this page is being considered for deletion! There are many, many Wikipedia pages that deal with people (and other subjects) of much less importance than Elsa Marshall-Hall. 29 of her compositions have been preserved, most at the Percy Grainger Museum at the University of Melbourne. There are seven Trove references to her, and 55 Google references.

I strongly recommend that this page be retained! I look forward to hearing other views.

Yours Albert Isaacs (talk) 00:19, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * See the other stuff exists fallacy, as it is a matter of opinion whether this composer is more or less important than someone else. We don't use such opinions here; we use reliable sources that cover the person in a significant fashion. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 14:39, 22 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete - Ms. Marshall-Hall has historical notice but unfortunately I don't think she quite reaches the requirements at WP:COMPOSER necessary to qualify for a Wikipedia article, and simply having songs preserved by historians is not enough. Having died in 1980, she is unlikely to be covered in standard online sources, but she does come up many times in a Google Books search. Alas, she is almost always mentioned just briefly as the songwriter in much longer treatments of the performers or productions that used her songs. Through this process I am seeing no coverage to satisfy the specific requirements at WP:COMPOSER -- compositions that are themselves notable (#1), works performed in notable productions (#2), works covered by other notable composers (#3), composer winning notable awards (#4), composer cited as a major influence (#5), or composer covered at length in authoritative reference works (#6). ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 14:56, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to George Marshall-Hall, where some of her details currently exist.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:19, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to the father's page, courtesy of Doomsdayer520's analysis, per WP:ATD-M. ——  Serial  16:32, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to her father's page. Deus et lex (talk) 22:42, 28 August 2020 (UTC)


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