Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elvijs Putniņš (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete per WP:ATHLETE failure (could have been a G4 speedy as well). пﮟოьεԻ  5  7  19:30, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Elvijs Putniņš
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Fails WP:BIO as having not played in a fully-professional league and WP:N as having not received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Mattythewhite (talk) 00:20, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep Neutral, pending further discussion: This player meets notability guidelines in the Wikipedia Football Project as seen here. These guidelines are extremely specific about players needing to play for a team at a particular level in the UK leagues 1-15 system. Level 5 or higher is considered national level, and this player currently plays for a level 2 team-- second-highest league in the country. Their wording is very clear. ♪ daTheisen(talk) 00:28, 31 October 2009 (UTC) / edit ♪ daTheisen(talk) 01:30, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I would however note that this is WP:FOOTY's essay on how notability should be dealt with, and as such, is not an accepted guideline or policy. Also, I think it is important to note that the player in question has not actually played in a first team game. Mattythewhite (talk) 00:41, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreeable, and obviously you've already got my talk page. I'm going to change my opinion to neutral for now pending further discussion and hopefully some extra insight people might give here, and from in the project would be all the better. ♪ daTheisen(talk) 01:30, 31 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. GiantSnowman 09:49, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:ATHLETE (as he has yet to actually play in a competititve, first-team game in a fully-pro league) as well as WP:GNG. GiantSnowman 09:50, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete without prejudice to recreation should he ever actually play in a match for a professional club -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:00, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * In fact, ramp it up to speedy delete, as nothing material has changed since his article was deleted via AfD in August, and the content is essentially the same. Still allow recreation should he ever actually play in a match for a professional club -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:03, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 12:16, 4 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep Give him a while and see what happens. It would be stupid to delete it now and have to come back and re-write it.--ShedEnd1984 (talk) 14:47, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * How long should we keep it before? Six months?  A year?  Two years?  There are plenty of young players who get signed by pro clubs but then never play for the team, so it's by no means guaranteed that he'll ever see game time -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:58, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * A few weeks.--ShedEnd1984 (talk) 18:31, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:CRYSTALBALL... Barocci    05:31, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * He's already been with the club for well over a year without ever being chosen to play, what makes you think anything's going to change in the next few weeks..........? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:56, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I've a really good feeling he'll play in the next few weeks.--ShedEnd1984 (talk) 12:27, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Why? Radek Černý and Tom Heaton appear to be fit, so what you're saying is just speculation. Mattythewhite (talk) 12:34, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I've got a really good feeling I'm gonna win the lottery, but I doubt it'll happen. However, if I do, I guarantee you I will buy QPR and will give Putniņš his pro debut. GiantSnowman 19:04, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Jesus lads I was messing. If he has been there for a year then there's no point in keeping it.--ShedEnd1984 (talk) 19:44, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete, nothing has changed since Articles for deletion/Elvijs Putniņš, still no professional appearances. Barocci    05:31, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as stated re: lack of professional appearances. --Stormbay (talk) 03:56, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. In addition to being on a team at the second level of English footballk, he meets WP:N  so the discussion of whether he has started or not isn't important. Nfitz (talk) 03:03, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * He doesn't pass WP:N based on one source -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:22, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * There are numerous more ... I only referenced one. Here's a couple more, and. Nfitz (talk) 23:44, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - I fail to see how this player has received any degree of significant coverage in secondary sources. He fails WP:ATHLETE and WP:GNG and that can't be disputed. Strongest possible delete. Spiderone  15:29, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
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