Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elvis Hernandez


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. On the basis of consensus that he fails WP:ATHLETE - discounted comments solely poi9nting to a non-adopted guideline Fritzpoll (talk) 08:52, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Elvis Hernandez

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Minor League Baseball player who has not played in any league higher than an AA (this year) and does not pass the drafted (with much consensus) WikiProject Baseball/Notability guidelines. There is debate within WP:Baseball about minor league players qualifying as "fully professional"

Good faith search (use quotes) brings up passing mention in articles about the team, no significant coverage of the subject, which means he fails the General notability guidelines. kelapstick (talk) 23:38, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Good catching that, you may want to check most of my other searches (in the last part I was copy/paste the name into my google search), but is that "significant coverage" or more passing mention in an article about the team?--kelapstick (talk) 00:02, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: This individual appears to be pass WP:BIO. The above search for sources was only for the past month. This Google News Archive search returns many more results. Cunard (talk) 23:58, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:ATHLETE.-- Giants27 T/  C  01:23, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. Come back if/when "WikiProject Baseball/Notability guidelines" actually becomes a guideline. AfD hero (talk) 06:51, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Don't even come back then. From the proposed guideline: "Minor league players, managers, coaches, executives, and umpires are not assumed to be inherently notable."  Getting moved to AA after an ERA of 5.04 at the A level, Hernandez might be notable for defying expectations. Mandsford (talk) 13:02, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * comment player does not pass Notability (sports) (unless MID Mid-season all-star is being selected for an all-star game, which I don't think it is) which is a more lax guideline than the proposed notability guideline either.--kelapstick (talk) 15:50, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:01, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. On the keep side we have the Springfield News-Leader article and the all-star appearance. For me, this pushes it slightly over to keep, but I'd love to see more.-- Fabrictramp |  talk to me  23:12, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - I see the one Springfield News-Leader article cited by Fabrictramp and a paragraph on his being named to the Midwest League All-Star Team. That's getting close, but doesn't quite meet my interpretation of "significant coverage in reliable secondary sources." The other cited sources are statistics sites, which—based on WP:NOTDIRECTORY—don't really count for demonstrating notability. BRMo (talk) 19:28, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete no evidence of meeting WP:ATHLETE Secret account 18:32, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Minor leagues are fully professional, therefore he passes WP:ATHLETE in the most obvious possible manner. It states A person is generally notable if they meet any of the following standards ... People who have competed at the fully professional level of a sport AfD hero (talk) 19:02, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * There has always been disagreement among Wikipedia editors about whether baseball's minor leagues should be regarded as fully professional. Although minor league players receive modest salaries, they are selected and employed by the major league teams and are essentially in a training / development program for the majors . Other policies, such as WP:N, WP:NOT, and WP:BLP also need to be considered.  WP:N requires significant coverage in reliable secondary sources, WP:NOT says that Wikipedia should not simply duplicate information that appears in sources such as directories or news media, and WP:BLP says care is needed in creating and maintaining biographies of living persons, especially when they are "essentially low-profile" (such as minor league baseball players). BRMo (talk) 22:53, 21 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete as per the above comments, player does not meet requirements according to WP:ATHLETE. Mandermagic (talk) 00:47, 23 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.