Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elysian Space Navy


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. If anyone is willing to merge potentially useful content, drop me a not and I'll provide the contents. Tone 13:21, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Elysian Space Navy

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Entirely in-universe trivia and plot summary. Apparently, removing lists of make-believe orders of battle and damage counts as "gutting and destruction" -- if such trivia is so essential, probably the entirety of the article can be excised. "Real world" informaiton is grammatically incoherent speculation and original research. Beyond that, this article merely regurgitates a section of plot across two books; per previous AfDs at Articles for deletion/Second battle of Hogwarts and Articles for deletion/Battle of Hogwarts (2nd nomination), and AfD-less consensus for Battle of Yavin IV and Battle of Endor, this content is unnecessary. So, to sum up, this article fails WP:PLOT, WP:IINFO, WP:RS, WP:GNG. --EEMIV (talk) 19:49, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I have transwikified this article to http://honorverse.wikia.com/wiki/Elysian_Space_Navy. I don't think it is core to Honorverse, and thus can be deleted, but I wonder if there is any way we can redirect people searching for "Elysian Space Navy" on Wikipedia to http://honorverse.wikia.com/wiki/Elysian_Space_Navy ? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 21:35, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure Wikipedia doesn't do soft redirects to Wikia pages, but an external link can be included for the texts in which this group appears. --EEMIV (talk) 13:29, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fictional orders of battle are excessive and near-abusive. Fiction writing should be from the perspective of our world. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire - past ops) 23:50, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Majoreditor (talk) 00:32, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge to List of organizations in the Honorverse, which is similar to the outcome of the last spacenavy that EEMIV nominated. 70.29.213.241 (talk) 06:03, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete entirely unsourceable via independent reliable sources, this article is an original essay about a fictional navy that is not notable separate from the books in which it is mentioned.Bali ultimate (talk) 13:23, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * either Merge per 70.29... above OR Keep. The ENS is part of a significant event in this universe, not trivia. The content should be preserved on WP, lest the tidying impulse do our Gentle Reader (for whom we are all working, and for whose benefit all those policies exist). This series is significant and notable (multiple best sellers, an active discussion list (on the publisher's site), multiple writers participating in writing in the universe, ...) and so the question is whether this particular article usefully adds to the coverage on behalf of our Gentle Reader. As may be seen from my vote here, I think that it does, though I'm wiling to see it merged into a larger rubric article. Do not blithly delete. ww (talk) 16:59, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge As another three articles about space navies in the Honorverse that have been merged. This is no exception. Debresser (talk) 18:08, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Speaking as a fan of this series, this content is not even remotely relevant. If there's somewhere a stub could be merged to, consider that, but I don't think it's necessary. JulesH (talk) 18:29, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete — Beyond the lede, which is surely stated elsewhere, this is an indiscriminate list. This whole lot is unsourced beside fanish-sites. Our whole walled-garden of Honorcruft is an unencyclopædic mess that is more appropriate for a fan-wiki. Cheers, Jack Merridew 05:25, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. No notability asserted, completely fails WP:NOT. — sephiroth bcr  ( converse ) 07:42, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge to List of organizations in the Honorverse, There is no need for something too have separate notability to be merged as part of an article. None of the delete arguments given here apply as against a merge. The list is not indiscriminate, for it contains only the items in this particular sub-fiction. I notice that Jack has chosen to comment on an article after A nobody placed a rescue tag on it. lgthough he has been asked at AN/I  to stay away from situations like this. DGG (talk) 09:20, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete outright. More in-universe cruft that violates our basic premise that encyclopedic coverage means grounded in the real-world. Eusebeus (talk) 16:32, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Grounded but not limited to. You give no reason against the merge/redirect except IDONTLIKEIT.DGG (talk) 16:30, 15 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Merge per DGG of course. Deletion makes no sense when there is an obvious merge target.  Hobit (talk) 02:14, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete- I think a merge is only appropriate when a) the content to be merged is sourced and encyclopedic, and b) the proposed target would be improved by including the content. Neither applies here. Reyk  YO!  21:46, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Entirely plot summary for non-notable fictional events. Doctorfluffy (robe and wizard hat) 03:57, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions.  -- Jack Merridew 06:28, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge as per Hobit and 70.29.213.241. Debresser (talk) 10:40, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Just as other space navies in the Honorverse that have been merged of late. Debresser (talk) 10:41, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as having no real-world notability. All Wikipedia content must be cited to third-party sources; as none of this is, there's nothing to merge. Stifle (talk) 09:36, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Since this is fiction, the Honorverse template provides the references. Debresser (talk) 10:05, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per above. Oppose a merge as that article shares the same problems as this one. I don't see why a List of nonnotable entities suddenly gains any notability unless the list itself is notable in the real-world.   Them  From  Space  04:39, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.