Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Emanuel Cveticanin


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The result was   keep. Courcelles 00:23, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Emanuel Cveticanin

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Looks like a hoax. Most of the sources mentioned in the article don't mention the name "Cveticanin" at all. (One not checked as Serbian is unreadable for me) The one source that does mention his name (Google Books), come up with a rank as major (English) or Hhauptmann (German). That is quite a bit lower ranking then Fieldmarshall...

The style of the text is also that of an automated translator. Night of the Big Wind talk  01:47, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
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 * Comment I don't know enough about the applicable standard of notability or about Balkan history, but one of the Google searches listed at the end of the article as sources does indeed show him as a Hauptmann (several times) or a Major (once). However, there are half a dozen mentions of his actions being decisive, and one of the books that comes up there contains the following: "Dank der energischen Thätigkeit des mit der Organisation des Serezaner-Corps betrauten Hauptmannes Cveticanin ging die Einsetzung aller . . ." and "Zum Commandanten des ,Serezaner-Corps' wurde Hauptmann Emanuel . . ." - both p. 221. In other words he did such a good job organizing the "Serezan Corps," he was promoted to its commander. How much help is that toward establishing notability?--Yngvadottir (talk) 15:08, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. The Austrian State Archives document listed in the sources (http://oesta.gv.at/DocView.axd?CobId=23130) gives his rank as Feldmarschallleutnant. While this was not a field marshal (it is often mis-translated as such, incidentally, for obvious reasons), it was equivalent to lieutenant-general. He was thus clearly a general officer and therefore worthy of an article. I grant it's poorly written, but that's not a reason for deletion. Oh, and his name was actually Emanuel Cvjetićanin. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:27, 11 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Request for speedy close as keep At finding the correct name (Emanuel Cvjetićanin instead of Emanuel Cveticanin) and the correct rank (Major General/Feldmarschalleutnant  instead of Field Marshal) it is clear that the subject of this article is not a hoax but clearly notable. Night of the Big Wind  talk  22:40, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Endorse speedy close as keep as per Night of the Big Wind's second submission. Buckshot06 (talk) 02:20, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
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