Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ember (Pokémon)

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The result of the debate was DELETE. &mdash; J I P | Talk 07:17, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Ember (Pokémon)
See also the entry for Destiny Bond

This is one of more than a hundred specific attacks in Pokémon, comparable to an article about Fire 1, Fire 2, Fire 3, and all the other spells in the Final Fantasy games. While Pokémon is notable as a cultural phenomenon, individual attacks in Pokémon are not encyclopedic material. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 06:09, 22 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Comment - There's a year-old precedent relevant to this: Votes for deletion/Mirror Coat. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 06:09, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, Pokécruft. &mdash; J I P | Talk 06:36, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * delete DDerby (talk) 07:33, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, wikipedia is not paper. Kappa 09:31, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia isn't infinite, either. Remember, this is one attack among hundreds, and this article does not and never will give any information that isn't immediately clear from context (it's a fire attack, it involves blowing embers, fire Pokémon use it). - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 09:40, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * None of this is clear from the context: "In the Pokémon videogames, Ember is the standard fire-type attack, and it is learnt by many Pokémon at relatively low levels. When the level depends on the version of Pokémon used, the level for the edition of the Pokémon's first appearance is used.
 * ...While Ember tends to be useful during the first stages of the game (especially for rookie trainers), later it becomes weak in comparison to stronger attacks such as Fire Spin or Flamethrower. It was one of the attacks which already appeared in the first versions of the game, Pokémon Blue and Pokémon Red." Kappa 09:43, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * It would be clear in any context in which someone would encounter the term, either in the Pokémon aníme or games. As for its context on Wikipedia, this is an orphan I found when sifting through Whatlinkshere for Pokémon. This article is left over from an abortive attempt to document every single tiny aspect of Pokemon on Wikipedia, and most of the other articles (save the species and characters and places, which aren't minutia) have been deleted or merged.
 * And I wish I had paid more attention when I AFD'ed it. Some of the statements in the article are factually wrong, to boot. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 12:20, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * If it doesn't have context in wikipedia, wp obviously isn't explaining pokemon combat properly. The fact that some but not all "minutia" articles have been deleted is hardly a reason to delete this. Kappa 12:49, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * So then we should really get moving on the ones we've missed. User:Premeditated Chaos 23:37, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom. Dlyons493 12:35, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge or delete. TheMadBaron 13:30, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * This one is a lot better than the one on destiny bond but I still have no idea where to merge it to. I'm going to make a copy in my userspace in case it gets deleted. Perhaps a merge with Pokémon types? I don't know. --Celestianpower hab 17:09, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom. Actually, I think all fictional content should be moved to a new Wikifiction and be removed from Wikipedia. Groeck 18:22, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Can't you wait for this "Wikifiction" to be set up before destroying its potential content? Kappa 18:25, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * The reason for the vote was per nominator and related to an entry in Wikipedia. Criteria for keeping articles in a "Wikifiction" might be different than criteria for keeping articles in Wikipedia. Groeck 18:41, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * keep please we are not a paper encylcopedia Yuckfoo
 * Delete over embers, and saute every 5 minutes per nominator. Sabine's Sunbird 23:19, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete or otherwise get rid of it. Wikipedia is not GameFAQs. --Carnildo 23:31, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as fast as we can. Then delete any other "Pokemon Attack" articles before we go insane. Put them in WikiBooks Pokemon, for god's sake. Something! User:Premeditated Chaos 23:37, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * All of this information is already in Pokédex. Where it belongs. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 01:54, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I really should relist that cultural references article... --Apostrophe 23:43, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. A list of Pokémon attacks isn't the worst idea ever, just so these individual articles die. Seriously. Pokémon attacks with articles. Perhaps we should extend these to actual attacks: cutting somebody with a butcher's knife, anybody? Lord Bob 01:09, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Wikipedia is not paper. Make articles on all of the moves. Why not? Is there some problem with Wikipedia being a comprehensive resource? Grace Note 06:58, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Isn't there a thing on Wikibooks for this kind of stuff? Tuf-Kat 07:01, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Listify AKA Merge into a list of Pokémon attacks. Comprehensive doesn't mean we need a seperate article on every granular thing in the world. Sometimes merging stuff together in one article with redirects pointing from other places is the better option. (WP:FICT). - Mgm|(talk) 09:34, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete It is a Pokemon Attack C,mon Delete that junk bring some Pockemon also next time u nominate so I could place Delete also --Aranda56 05:17, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Kill it with fire Job  e  6  [[Image:Peru flag large.png|20px]] 00:54, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. This borders bad faith. We've obviously been way too generous with keeping Pokéstubs of all kinds. Don't even think about merging this anywhere. / Peter Isotalo 04:52, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm curious: bad faith on the part of whom? This was a long-abandoned stub I found by surfing Whatlinkshere, written before WP:FICT really solidified and well before the beginning of even the original Pokémon Wikiproject, let alone the current project. - A Man In Black (Talk | Contribs) 08:28, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. My goodness, this is an encyclopaedia! --Daveb 12:19, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge this another attacks to List of Pokémon attacks which seems to be headed for a "keep". Sjakkalle (Check!)  08:39, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.