Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Emela-ntouka


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The result was delete. Enigmamsg 20:53, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Emela-ntouka

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A Non-notable fringe "living dinosaur", as the previously deleted Ngoubou, Muhuru, Burrunjor, Ropen, etc. A redirect to List of cryptids is unsupported, since that's a list of mystery animals notable enough to have a page, and provides no information to someone looking for "Emela-ntouka." tronvillain (talk) 16:24, 18 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete. This entity appears to be one of a complex of purported entities fixated upon by a particular fringe circle where the pseudosciences of Young Earth creationism and cryptozoology overlap. Everything I can find seems to stem from these two (which frequently merge around "living dinosaurs" and anti-evolution approaches, most notably Roy Mackal's now infamous A Living Dinosaur? but also no shortage of incredible stuff like this). We're in deep fringe territory here and without a tertiary source from a scholar discussing exactly what's going on with all this, I can't see how we can get past, say, WP:FRIND. &#58;bloodofox: (talk) 16:38, 18 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment: any outcome decided for this redirect should probably also apply to Emela-Ntouka. Lithopsian (talk) 16:46, 18 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment Proper venue is RfD and then the target should be removed from the List of Cryptids first.PRehse (talk) 17:15, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Seems a little arbitrary, given that it existed as an article rather than a redirect relatively recently and is easily switched back. And it only exists on the List of cryptids because the page still exists - the list is only for entries with articles. There, it's an article again. --tronvillain (talk) 17:42, 18 June 2018 (UTC); edited 17:44, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Better.PRehse (talk) 17:46, 18 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete and do not redirect. I rewrote this page after removing copyvio a couple of years ago, but didn't look nearly closely enough at the sources, which have now rightly been removed (I'm sorry for that oversight). If anyone can find solid academic ethnological sources that describe the myths and beliefs of the people of the Likouala region, and include mention or description of this particular myth, then that would be grounds for including some account of it in, say, a List of imaginary animals. Until then, the only option for a topic with no sources is deletion. Redirecting it to List of cryptids is not a good plan, as (a) it's unsourced and (b) this – if it is anything – is not some (supposedly) "hidden" relic of the age of the dinosaurs, but a mythological or folkloric belief of some African people (some of whom may have no conception of what a dinosaur might be). Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:48, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 12:13, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Mythology-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 12:13, 21 June 2018 (UTC)


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