Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Emergency Room (art)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was KEEP Emergency Room (art) and MERGE the rest to Thierry Geoffroy.  Spinning Spark  16:41, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Emergency Room (art)

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Non-notable subpages (declared genres of art) of non-notable artist's practice (his AfD). Doesn't pass GNG nor have RS via Google search. Several dePROD'd by SPA. Bundling related articles for deletion:

czar  &middot;   &middot;  16:03, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:38, 18 April 2013 (UTC)


 *  Delete All Comment - thay are all clearly neologisms conceived by Thierry Geoffroy. Though I'd say Emergency Room may conceivably be a notable project. However, the article would need to fundamentally renamed and rewritten to be suitable for Wikipedia. Sionk (talk) 22:06, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Changed my recommendation. I'm willing to believe these events, though not widely accepted terms in the art world, may be widespread enough and notable enough for their own entries in Wikipedia. The Thierry Geoffroy AfD was closed as 'Keep'. At worst the above articles should be merged into Thierry Geoffroy, which may be the best solution in the interim (unless someone fleshes them out pronto). Emergency Room has been rolled-out globally and, being a more recent concept, has several online sources available. Sionk (talk) 10:48, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * What sources do you use to substantiate their notability (esp. the non-Emergency Room pages)? (Also note that the Geoffroy AfD was closed without any discussion of the keep claims. Based on the several users who have come out of the woodwork to support him, there has been much COI editing to go around but no source-checking.) czar   &middot;   &middot;  16:05, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * As you can see I'm commenting on the AfD and not jumping either way (though erring towards 'merge' in the interim). Check the Thierry Geoffroy article. I began to incorporate some of the better sources into it today but ran out of time. A work in progress! Sionk (talk) 17:42, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm in the dilemma that I think Emergency Room (art) should be kept, as a real concept that has been deployed in numerous locations involving dozens of artists. It seems to me it is a concept that many people (i.e. the Press) understand and want to report. But the others should be merged to Thierry Geoffroy, as non-notable affectations of the artist. It looks like the other 'keep' advocates (below) are also referring to "Emergency Room". Is there some way the four 'add-ons' can be separated? Or does this AfD go to 'No concensus' followed by re-nomination? Sionk (talk) 20:40, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * You can vote keep on ER and merge for the rest, if you prefer. There is only one keep advocate below, the same user with unsigned comments, and since he's posting press releases as reliable sources, it looks like he didn't read my comment. This AfD will be relisted once or twice more before it's closed as no consensus. czar   &middot;   &middot;  23:02, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Life's too short ;) There's also The Delay Museum to consider. It will need merging into either Thierry Geoffroy or Emergency Room (art) at some point, I expect. Sionk (talk) 00:17, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Good find! Missed that one—responded on talk page czar   &middot;   &middot;  04:16, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

some of the artists have dedicated special chapters to ER as they seem to consider some of their works as emergency art. Here some I found for now, by googling  an artist name with the word emergency art or emergency room, but there are maybe 200 artists listed if this list is updated  ( http://www.emergencyrooms.org/artists.html ) 200 international artists minimum  have been connected to this group , or movement ? some research have to be done in vietnamese or greek to be traced.
 * merge into the article on the artist. Reasonable solution  DGG ( talk ) 03:59, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
 * keep Emergency Room is a growing communauty and has involved hundreds of artists in New York, Berlin ; Paris ; Hanoi etc..

so far i found

Nadia Plesner with 5 main projects ( Napoli / Paris / Hanoi, Wrocalw , Copenhagen /  http://www.nadiaplesner.com/emergency-room

Sophie Hjerl, on the danish art agency official page http://www.kunstdk.dk/kunstner/sophie_hjerl/vaerker/emergency-art

Guillaume Dimanche :http://www.myope.com/exhib/2009/index.html

Frank Franzen : http://www.frankfranzen.com/emergency-artworks.aspx

Amina Bech :http://www.aminabech.net/emergencyroom

David Marin :http://www.marindavid.com/worclav.php

Niels Bonde : http://nielsbonde.blogspot.dk/2013/03/emergency-room-ps1-moma.html

Toby Barnes : http://www.tobybarnesart.com/EmergencyOne.html

Peter Lind :  http://peterlind.org/emergencyroom.html Fa bene si (talk) 09:15, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Melina Pena :http://penalamelina.blogspot.dk/2009/10/emergency-room-pan-pallazo-delle-arti.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dicoss (talk • contribs) 06:35, 25 April 2013 (UTC)  — Dicoss (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Thanks for the links, but on Wikipedia, notability for inclusion is judged by the GNG and its associated guidelines, which have specific criteria for link quality. In a sentence, articles require significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. (This is explained at WP:42.) The articles listed above are largely self-published sources or unreliable sources that do not help with that. They would be removed from any encyclopedia article. czar   &middot;   &middot;  16:05, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

is it so that the danish art agency is not a reliable source  ? http://www.kunstdk.dk/kunstner/sophie_hjerl/vaerker/emergency-art

, also the name of those artist have been publishedby several institutions including MOMA / PS1 but also on recognise institution like the polish Presidency. Ministery of culture and heritage, Ministery of foreign affair ; Education and Culture ( please scroll down ) http://www.culturecongress.eu/en/event/format_emergency_room

is the publishing house Revolver not reliable ? http://www.revolver-books.de/w3NoM.php?nodeId=1084 or the institution PAN in Napoli ?http://www.comune.napoli.it/flex/cm/pages/ServeBLOB.php/L/IT/IDPagina/9193 or the prince of Denmark report in main danish newspaper Politiken http://politiken.dk/erhverv/ECE1464565/kronprinsen-sprang-paa-cyklen-for-klimaet/

Is the ZKM museum, Hans Belting and Peter Weibel not reliable source ?

or Weekendavisen, most serious danish weekly paper not reliable ?

or the a 20 mi program in the The Brian Lehrer Show "Where Art and Journalism Collide " dedicated to 4 Emergency Room artists http://www.wnyc.org/shows/bl/2007/mar/06/  not reliable enough

Artnet ? is not reliable either ? presenting artists like Baptiste Debombourg or John Kørner ? http://www.artnet.fr/magazine/portraits/THOMAS/EMERGENCY%20ROOM.asp

is the BBC reliable source even in vietnamese ?http://www.bbc.co.uk/vietnamese/vietnam/2011/11/111128_emergencyroom_art.shtml

Is Nadia Plesner not reliable when she made special issue of her appartenance to the group https://www.google.dk/search?q=emergency+room+nadia+plesner&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dicoss (talk • contribs) 18:55, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to be an amator wikipedia users, but I have the feeling some one erased all the names of the artists that participated in the Emergency Room communauty , how is this possible , to make history disapear ? who did that ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dicoss (talk • contribs) 19:20, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * You can view how contributions changed the article over time via the "History" tab at the top of the article. Sionk included the rationale as to why the list was removed. The vast majority of the linked articles are not reliable, and many of those that are are brief mentions (press announcements) and not significant coverage. You can read more about this here and here. czar   &middot;   &middot;  23:07, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * They were mainly removed because they were unsourced and almost all non-notable. With lists of living people in particular, this is a big no-no. See WP:LISTPEOPLE guideline. Sionk (talk) 00:09, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Oh I understand thank you to give learning, and please receive my excuses to have not been through all the wikipedia rules yet ,it is not easy for me here ,  but why not keep the notable one ? the sourced ones like some mentioned above ? they must be about 40 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dicoss (talk • contribs) 06:55, 26 April 2013 (UTC) you say they " were almost all not notable ", but is wikipedia not a case by case plattform ? where some get erased and eliminated, and some can remain until next judgement ? can we erase all because of "almost" as an acceptable definition ? ( in this case maybe almost is about 40 artists) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dicoss (talk • contribs) 07:00, 26 April 2013 (UTC) Which ones of "the almost " could we saved for beeing erased, is  wikipedia  purpose to save history like doctors try to save life ? if there is any one to save from deletion should we not try to save them ?

How did you do research, did you take name by name or just delete all artists at once in one go ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dicoss (talk • contribs) 07:08, 26 April 2013 (UTC) None of those artists name were debated just eliminated, should we not take name by name and debate if they fullfill the criteria and why and why not ? one by one. some are also from other part like Vietnam, or have reference in greek linguage etc. The Emergency Room commnauty has existed for 7 years in ,i think,  10  countries with  space implantation in Museum like MOMA / PS1 or PAN Napoli or the academy of fine art in Hanoi ... some of those artist  must be eligible here in wikipedia to survive elimination. at least this should be debate case by case carefuly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dicoss (talk • contribs) 07:27, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Usually editing follows the pattern of bold (add), revert edit, discuss on talk page. Sionk started a section on the talk page if you want to discuss the edit further. Also, you are very familiar with ER for a new editor—if you have a relation to the article or artist, please remember to disclose any potential conflict of interest. czar   &middot;   &middot;  02:35, 27 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep the Emergency Room, Merge the rest (trimmed of waffle) to the biography (or so merge all). Johnbod (talk) 10:36, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
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