Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Emilia Vuorisalmi


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The result was   no consensus. slakr \ talk / 07:49, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Emilia Vuorisalmi

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Fails WP:GNG as well as WP:BIO (specifically WP:CREATIVE). All links are completely unsuitable and unreliable as references for a biography. One of them is her personal website and another one has her blog writings. Ceosad (talk) 22:54, 21 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Support Per nom. MrScorch6200  (talk &#124; ctrb) 23:07, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Regarding WP:GNG and WP:CREATIVE, Hehku is a prime time national television show meaning its hosts are Finnish household names i.e. known to the entire nation. Furthermore, WP:GNG, E.V. has covered several nationally distributed notable magazine publications (Anna, Terveys ja Kauneus etc). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nemanja.rodic (talk • contribs) 08:59, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
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 * Keep, probably most known for being Mikko Leppilampis ex-wife and figuring in the yellow press thanks to that. Her now having a show on YLE pushes it over the notability threshold. bbx (talk) 06:28, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Davey 2010 •  (talk)  15:43, 29 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete, per nom regarding the English sources. As for Finnish media coverage, this should be assessed by someone who can check them. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 18:09, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment, the Finnish sources check out as verifying the claims made in the article. However, I think the claims are rather trivial: she's an MD, doctor of a basketball team, has co-hosted one TV show, works with a consulting company as a speaker, and was married to an actor. What I think is the case here is that the non-notability of a person known for only one thing (a single TV show) is being masked by bona fide excessive citing of trivial biographic matter that is unrelated to the main point of the subject. Finnusertop (talk &#124; guestbook &#124; contribs) 21:34, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment, Thanks all for contributing to the discussion. In the WP:1E page it says 'If the event is highly significant, and the individual's role within it is a large one, a separate article is generally appropriate.' on the (See this policy.) page. The keywords here are 'prime-time' and 'national television'. Prime-time national television spots are not reserved for unknown persons, but for household names.

The excessive referencing is because it was earlier pointed out that it was deficient, but I can take some of it down. The notability isn't an issue, maybe only the way I've constructed the article, so please help with that and thanks (WP novice in the house, still learning :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nemanja.rodic (talk • contribs) 08:32, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Don't worry; we don't intend to bite :) As for construction of the article, if you insist on the significance of this TV show and hosting thereof, it would help your argument if the article said more about the show and this person's involvement in it. Now there is literally just a single sentence. This is supposed to be the most prominent thing about the person. Here are a few sources which stay on topic that I managed to find: Mikko Leppilammen ex-puoliso Emilia televisioon helmikuussa, Hehku, TO 7.2. klo 19.30 TV2. Finnusertop (talk &#124; guestbook &#124; contribs) 10:05, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the links Finnusertop. I've included those now. What else should I do? Others? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nemanja.rodic (talk • contribs) 19:47, 3 September 2014 (UTC) 
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 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 08:27, 7 September 2014 (UTC)



Any other comments from others on how to improve the article? I've expanded the section on Hehku which is the event which qualifies her to have an article this. What else should I do? thanks Nemanja.rodic — Preceding undated comment added 18:34, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: At this point there is not much you can do about notability. Please note that the deletion discussion has been relisted twice already and so far there has been no consensus on the fate of the article. This means that after 7 days have passed after the second relisting, the deletion discussion should be closed and the article will stay. If you're confident this will happen, you can start improving that article to comply with various Wikipedia style guidelines. For example, you can turn the bare url references into citation templates (I recommend cite web in this case). While style issues don't determine notability, they are important when improving established articles - it's a useful skill on Wikipedia! You can always ask for help if you need guidance. Finnusertop (talk &#124; guestbook &#124; contribs) 20:01, 10 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete The most notable thing seems to be having been married to Mikko Leppilampi which doesn't establish notability. Haven't heard about her personally either before this, and I consider myself quite in the know about Finnish entertainment news. --Pudeo' 00:12, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: Please note that in the discussion above we have tried to distinguish the TV show as the thing she is most notable for and that we have reworked the article's sources to reflect this. If your assessment is that she is best known for Leppilampi, please provide something to back that up. Whatever you know her personally best for is irrelevant, as is the fact that you didn't know her beforehand (see WP:IDONTKNOWIT). Finnusertop (talk &#124; guestbook &#124; contribs) 23:57, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you should teach me how to participate in AfDs. --Pudeo' 11:12, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep: My initial concerns about references have been taken care of, and I have changed my mind about deleting this article. I agree with Finnusertop on notability. She is primarily known for that one TV show. As bbx earlier has pointed out, she is a person known from the yellow press and as an ex-wife of Mikko Leppilampi, so I think having a biography rather than an article about the TV show is reasonable. WP:1E Ceosad (talk) 15:04, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
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