Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Emma Ferrer


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. (Non-administrator closure) NorthAmerica1000 00:48, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Emma Ferrer

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As notability is not inherited, Emma Ferrer is not notable. Her only claim to notability is that she is granddaughter of Audrey Hepburn and her appearance in Harper's Bazaar (the other three sources in the article merely discuss the Harper's Bazaar one). We wouldn't consider any other model notable for a single appearance in a magazine, and Ferrer is not different. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 14:23, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Note I have been discussion this with the article's creator on their talk page. It has been copied below:

(prod boilerplate)...Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 04:22, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure. The cover of a major fashion magazine plus more minor stuff?

--Jersey92 (talk) 04:31, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * If she wasn't Hepburn's granddaughter, she wouldn't be on the cover of a fashion magazine, would she? Oiyarbepsy (talk) 04:34, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Couldn't the same be said about many people who got opportunities because of relatives? She is on the cover. She has been written about... --Jersey92 (talk) 04:37, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Not exactly. George W Bush is notable, but because of his own accomplishments, not his father's. Drew Barrymore would be notable even if her famous family wasn't famous. So, you would need to demonstrate that Ferrer has her own accomplishments, that would make her famous if she wasn't Hepburn's granddaughter, just like Barrymore and Bush. Merely being profiled on a magazine doesn't count - magazine's routinely profile people with no other possible claim to fame. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 14:13, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Not just profiled. On the cover. As a model. Also, notability is not from accomplishments but from people's perceptions of the person. Do they speak about the person? Has he/she been written about? To your point: what exactly were Kim Kardashian's accomplishments when she became notable? --Jersey92 (talk) 16:39, 14 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. The sources I've checked invariably refer to her as "Audrey Hepburn's granddaughter". You can WP:INHERIT the wind, but (usually) not a place in Wikipedia. One article notes that this is her modeling debut, so WP:TOOSOON also applies. Clarityfiend (talk) 14:51, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep Passes WP:GNG with multiple WP:RS. Her family connection might have helped her, but she has been on the cover of a major fashion magazine as a model. She has been written about in multiple WP:RS -- the articles are about her, not her grandmother. The Harper's article is obviously not about her appearing in Harper's. See references in article and Google search. For a model to be on the cover of a major fashion magazine makes me feel this is beyond WP:TOOSOON. Compare to other models who land major covers - do we consider them not notable if they happen to be related to someone else famous and that helped jump start their careers? --Jersey92 (talk) 16:47, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I certainly don't consider them notable on the basis of a single cover. Clarityfiend (talk) 17:28, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Exactly. And she's only been really written about in the one source, Harper's Bazaar. All those other "articles about articles" really don't provide anything new or substantial. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 00:59, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment:That is incorrect. The Daily Mail article is also about her with a lot of information. Give it a few days and you'll see plenty more. Someone who lands the cover of Harper's is going to be written about. --Jersey92 (talk) 01:08, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Reply. So now we've got WP:CRYSTALBALL? Clarityfiend (talk) 12:25, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Incorrect, Jersey. Magazine routinely profile people who are never heard from again and never make it. A lot of up-and-coming starts profile in fashion and arts magazines never actually make it. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 14:28, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:31, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:31, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
 * How many models on the cover of Harper's are not notable and not heard from again? --Jersey92 (talk) 16:10, 15 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. No multiple independent secondary sources analyze the topic. Abductive  (reasoning) 03:11, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment If the consensus is to delete, please move to my userspace so that when she gets more WP:RS I can add and move back. --Jersey92 (talk) 03:16, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Move to userspace A good solution, agree wholeheartedly. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 04:33, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Lankiveil (speak to me) 11:52, 25 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Relist Comment, relisting here because I feel the discussion is actually moving towards a consensus rather than the usual AFD case of WP:DUCKSEASON. It could also do with additional input from other uninvolved editors.  Lankiveil (speak to me) 11:54, 25 August 2014 (UTC).


 * Keep There seems to be enough of coverage out there to warrant a stub. Our editing policy indicates that we should retain this for further development. Andrew (talk) 15:53, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep I created the article and commented above. After reading all of the above - I still believe this should be a Keep as passing WP:GNG and WP:PRESERVE, and not WP:TOOSOON. If the consensus is otherwise please move to my userspace. --Jersey92 (talk) 02:23, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.