Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Emmanuel House


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies.  Catfish  Jim  and the soapdish  23:17, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Emmanuel House

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Fails WP:ORG. Neil S. Walker (talk) 14:01, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 14:06, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 14:06, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~SS49~   {talk}  02:38, 27 February 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete. No indications this passes WP:NORG. Sources are primary/self-published or mention it in passing. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:52, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 * delete Fails to meet the GNG. All references are either to their own webpage or to articles on the Richard Guzman blog. Guzman started Emmanuel House so there is no independent coverage.Sandals1 (talk) 22:39, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak keep Basically, a news search shows a number of hits, though they seem to be referring to a British charity with particular focus on Nottingham, though this one refers to Rhode Island. I was going to close the AfD as "delete" but declined to do so as I think all arguments so far are classic ones to avoid and this needs a relist to see if the article can be sufficiently expanded. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  14:04, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   14:55, 7 March 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment The problem I see is that there are multiple unrelated charities called "Emmanuel House". The first references are all about one in Illinois and I see nothing to show that one meets any notability criteria. The sources added about the one in Nottingham make a better case for notability.  I would suggest this article needs to be split into separate ones, which can then be discussed distinctly.  Or, since there seems to be no support for the Illinois charity, perhaps refocus the article on the one in Nottingham.  Either way, I think the location needs to be part of the article title(s). Papaursa (talk) 00:46, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment: I've added one WP:SIGCOV source, with a small history section. It turns out this organization (the Aurora, Illinois one) has merged with another, to form The Neighbor Project in 2018.  The article should probably be renamed if it is kept.  The article's other direct sources in the article are all by the subject or family members.  (User:Richie333 added a couple independent articles for the Nottingham subject (see below). but they're for the wrong Emmanuel House! )  So we're going to have to at find "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".  It appears that Richard Guzman's website, though not independent of the subject itself, points to some potentially-SIGCOV items.  The subject here is what was formerly named Emmanuel House in Aurora, Illinois, that runs properties that have a rent-return policy and something called "Networked Savings"; its organization is now called The Neighbor Project, formed by merging with Joseph Corporation; there is or was also something named Bryan House. --Closeapple (talk) 07:05, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
 * A couple of the Guzman blog items turned out to be copies of potential WP:SIGCOV also. I've re-arranged and fleshed out the external links items to show which contain copies of article.  Unfortunately, The Beacon-News of Aurora seems to not have a good searchable archive: Apparently, after the sources here were published, the Chicago Sun-Times sold The Beacon-News and other suburban papers to the Chicago Tribune.  I haven't yet searched Google News for any of the newly-discovered organization names though. --Closeapple (talk) 09:22, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
 * If someone thinks the Nottingham organization called Emmanuel House should have an article and wants to uncomment the Nottingham stuff I commented out in the article, go ahead. For some reason I didn't catch earlier than the Nottingham additions to the article were intentional. --Closeapple (talk) 09:46, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

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