Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Emperor Malthazar


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. and none likely to emerge. Redirecting or not is an editorial discussion and doesn't need AfD TravellingCari  20:31, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Emperor Malthazar

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This character does not establish notability independent of its series. Without coverage in reliable third party sources, it is just made up of unnecessary plot summary and original research. TTN (talk) 17:52, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep or merge or redirect as appropriate to the importance of the main work--he's the major antagonist. There may be reasons to to have a separate article, but there are not against a redirect. I was about to say what i think of nominations like this when there are preferred alternatives, but anyone who has been here before knows what I think about them. I at least try to indicate in my response that i have actually looked at the article. DGG (talk) 00:21, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Arthur and the Minimoys. Same for the other characters. --Jupiter Optimus Maximus (talk) 12:10, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  22:07, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:39, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep per DGG. Glass  Cobra  17:18, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete No Google hits aside from wiki-mirrors and non-RS. No Gnews hits (all dates archive search).  No Book hits.  No scholar hits.  It is not a good plan for us as editors to make the decision "this is a major character" and "this is not a major character" as a functioning guideline for inclusion.  I know we don't have a working compromise for WP:FICT, but it can't be one that allows us to keep an article with 0 third party sources.  That gets is, unfortunately, articles like this: full of plot summary and original research.  There is no other outcome.  I would also appreciate it if people could keep their frustration with TTN out of this debate.  We can talk about how there are alternatives to deletion but the fact that those alternatives have not been explored are not reasons to keep the articles. Protonk (talk) 17:23, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * That's because the character's correct title is simply "Malthazar." Although he is stated to be an emperor in the book, he's never referred to as "Emperor Malthazar" in either the book or the film. Move? --Jupiter Optimus Maximus (talk) 18:51, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Still only gets 3 gnews hits. No books, no scholar.  Webhits aren't promising.  And if this isn't the title of the character, a redirect isn't helpful.  Still saying delete. Protonk (talk) 19:17, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.