Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Empires of the Deep


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The result was keep. There is a consensus here that the failure of this film is what gives it notability per WP:NFF. Mz7 (talk) 05:27, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Empires of the Deep

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Vanity project of a Chinese tuhao who apparently abandoned the project (notice the lead Chinese actress Shi Yanfei was at that time the girlfriend of this oligarch "Jon Jiang"). The film was filmed in 2010–12 and it's almost 2018, with "many of the actors and production and technical crews still unpaid" as of December 2017 (the last sentence of the lede). Per WP:NFF: "films produced in the past which were either not completed or not distributed should not have their own articles, unless their failure was notable per the guidelines". Timmyshin (talk) 16:43, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment From one of the sources, "The "Empires" budget tops the previous most-expensive film made in China, John Woo's 2008 boxoffice hit "Red Cliff," by $20 million", and that was when there was "only" $100 million spent on it. As the most expensive production in China's history at the time of its creation, it seems like its failure was indeed notable enough for an article, if only for the incredible Wiseau-like ineptitude necessary to waste that much money. If the failure of this movie isn't notable, I don't know what failure would be. Is there proof to the contrary?ZXCVBNM (TALK) 20:23, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - per WP:NFF: "films produced in the past which were either not completed or not distributed should not have their own articles, unless their failure was notable" (emphasis my own). Being the most expensive film in Chinese film history and still unreleased fits the bill for me. ŞůṜīΣĻ ¹98¹ Speak 18:25, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 00:11, 23 December 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 03:57, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Per User:Suriel1981 the movie seems to be notable despite its lack of completion.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 18:39, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep and  discuss the film as a disaster, rather than as an in-production film. power~enwiki ( π,  ν ) 20:56, 4 January 2018 (UTC)


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