Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Empreintes DIGITALes


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   nomination withdrawn. No outstanding delete !votes. (non-admin closure) Tim Song (talk) 00:50, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Empreintes DIGITALes

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mass spam effort from founder and director of the empreintes DIGITALes label (from editor with promotional username). lacks coverage in independent reliable sources Duffbeerforme (talk) 16:57, 16 October 2009 (UTC) I am also nominating the following related artist pages because they are part of the mass spam from the record company. Most articles were created by Empreintes DIGITALes and their notability relies on a walled garden based on two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie label. Without each other there is no real notability shown an a almost complete lack of independent reliable sources. wp:5p, "Wikipedia is not a soapbox, an advertising platform, a vanity press":





See also other related Empreintes DIGITALes spam articles prodded. John Young (composer), Marc Tremblay (composer), Alain Thibault, Jacques Tremblay (musician), Pete Stollery, Claude Schryer, Daniel Scheidt, Carole Rieussec, Mario Rodrigue, Åke Parmerud, Arturo Parra, Philippe Mion, Theodore Lotis, Philippe Le Goff, Dan Lander, Daniel Leduc, Monique Jean, Bernard Fort, Stephan Dunkelman, Marcelle Deschênes, Jean-Christophe Camps, Michèle Bokanowski, Christian Bouchard, Yves Beaupré, Wende Bartley, Sergio Barroso, Natasha Barrett (composer), Patrick Ascione, Serge Arcuri, Pierre Alexandre Tremblay, Micheline Coulombe Saint-Marcoux. Duffbeerforme (talk) 17:20, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
 * But the artists and label do exist, don't they? Then the pages should be neutralized rather than deleted. --Jotamar (talk) 17:24, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Exactly. And at the very least Denis Smalley, Robert Normandeau, Jonty Harrison, Francis Dhomont and Pete Stollery are internationally significant composers. --Deskford (talk) 17:31, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I almost left some you mentioned off this list. If they are notable please help show it and I will remove them. Duffbeerforme (talk) 17:42, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
 * If they are notable then the articles should be fixed and kept. Existing is not notable. Duffbeerforme (talk) 17:37, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
 * In addition to the names already specified, Michel Chion should certainly be included in the keepers. I have added a References section to his article with an important monograph about him, and it should not be difficult to find more reliable, third-party material on him.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 18:40, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I think you can add Jon Appleton to the list of notables, as well. I have added his New Grove entry as "Further reading", though it probably should have been used as a Source in the first place.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 18:51, 16 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Relist appropriate individual ones separately after examining carefully each article and its sources. This is a  mass nomination for a reason that does not apply to all the entries.    DGG ( talk ) 04:57, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Relist, because several are clear keeps. Most though, are verified only by self-citation, which doesn't really satisfy WP:NOR and thus will be more debatable. - Draeco (talk) 00:04, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Segregate, relist, and rewrite - identify those works which might be notable on their own basis and segregate them out. Re-write them if necessary.  As for the rest, if they are written promotionally, it's better to mass-afd/delete them and start over, allowing re-creation if and when they meet WP:N.  Notability says whether a subject can have an article or not, it says nothing about whether the current article should be kept or deleted for other reasons, such as being adcruft.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail)  03:22, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Åke Parmerud's New Grove biography is now added to the References list, as well as an article from a research journal.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 03:33, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * 'keep all' every one of these composers has won at least one major international award for electroacoustic compostion, a number of them have won multiple awards. The article may have arisen as a result of a promotional drive, but that does not lessen their notability. The prods should be removed as there is no cause for deletion here. Measles (talk) 14:24, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Withdrawn to consider serperate listings. Duffbeerforme (talk) 06:35, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Why not simply hide the list in the original article and wait until the others are tidied up? Most are probably notable, though at first glance I only recognise a couple.  Don't mass delete potentially useful entries!  In actual fact, why not simply delete the original article (since it is balatant advertising) and leave the others to be Wikied?  --Jubilee♫ clipman  03:54, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.