Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/En Derin (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 03:53, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

En Derin
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Unremarkable musician (fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO). This is a renomination based on poor voter turnout at previous, recently closed AfD. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 17:02, 1 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete - no coverage in reliable sources. -- Whpq (talk) 16:19, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Also of note: Thanks. Eclipsed  (talk)   (COI Declaration)     06:47, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment - As mentioned in the 1st discussion, nominator removed a few claims from the article
 * ReverbNation.com chart listings - I am unable to find any consensus to support the nominators claim that ReverbNation charts are not usable. There is no reference to ReverbNation on the Reliable_sources/Noticeboard, ReverbNation charts are used on other music-related articles, and there is a write-up here on Wikipedia about how ReverbNation measures, see: Music_popularity_index
 * Appearances on Cyprus Radio and TV programs (Better verification required)
 * Radio Airplay in USA, UK, and many other countries. (Better verification  required)
 * The Article was discussed on the Drawing board/Archives/2010/November before the move to mainspace. Administrator User:Graeme Bartlett commented "If you add those points of notability and reference them, your article will be good to go."
 * Later, the Article was moved to mainspace by administrator User:Rich Farmbrough, with comment "Looks good to me"
 * Cut-and-paste of my reply from the first AfD: Reverbnation.com is a promotional website for musicians and is clearly not appropriate as a source. "Chart listings" in this case does not reflect any real-world interest or sales, but it is a moot point since there is not even a way to confirm Derin's placement. Cut and paste snippets of press quotes on a promotional website are not primary sources. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 16:29, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:02, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:36, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. Reverbnation.com stuff should have been removed. Airplay not shown to be rotation by sourcing. Appearences on tv or radio not shown to be sufficient for wp:music. also note, points of notability are not referenced properly with independent reliable sources. duffbeerforme (talk) 09:12, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.