Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eng Leong Medallic Industries (2nd nomination)


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The result was no consensus. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  18:57, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Eng Leong Medallic Industries
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2016 No Consensus. I looked into the sources mentioned in that AfD and while the firm does get mentioned for making the medals for the South-east Asian games and other competitions, there is no in depth, significant coverage to meet notability guidelines.This includes the ones archived at the national library. Books sources are limited to directories. It's a long running, successful family business, but no evidence it's notable. StarM 00:14, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions.       StarM 00:14, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 11:01, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.<ol> <li>https://web.archive.org/web/20150828051437/http://elm.com.sg/news-updates/ lists coverage in:<ol><li>2011 - AFFLUENT MAGAZINE</li><li>2011 - AFFLUENT</li><li>2011 JULY - CHINA DAILY</li><li>2006 JULY - THE BUSINESS TIMES</li><li>2006 JULY - THE STRAITS TIMES</li><li>1997 SEPTEMBER - THE STRAITS TIME</li></ol></li> <li> The article notes: "IMAGINE having royalty and state leaders as your loyal customers. Wouldn't dream of it, you might say. Well, not so for Eng Leong Medallic Industries Pte Ltd (ELM); meeting kings, queens and high-ranking officials is all in a day's work for them. This 38-year-old company, which has over 50 years of experience in making medals, has now not only ventured into the jewellery business, but also the defence business. In 2000, it established ELS Defence Equipment Pte Ltd, which supplies defence and security equipment to government bodies and uniformed groups."</li> <li></li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Eng Leong Medallic Industries to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 11:03, 1 February 2021 (UTC) </li></ul>


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 * Comment none of them is significantly in depth per my view and I'm not sure you acquire notability from your customers, but hopefully others can find more if it exists.      <b style="font-family: Verdana; color: #6633FF;">StarM</b> 14:29, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 06:21, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete I trimmed some large un sourced sections. The Internet archive link mentioned above (this one) does have some good local coverage. However, after 11 years this page is largely a company-listing-slash-product-advertisement. You could argue NCORP is weakly met, and you could also argue that the coverage is run of the mill local. I'll say delete as given the state of the article after 11 years,and the low likelihood of improvement, it violates WP:NOTPROMOTION.  Possibly (talk) 07:48, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep As per sources mention by Cunard. Pilean (talk) 15:33, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete As per the recent RfC at WP:N (not closed yet but it is clear what the consensus is) it is not enough to say that the references meet WP:GNG and ignore the strict significant coverage requirements spelled out in the SNG for organisations and companies. So that means we look for references that aren't part of a company's PR echo-chamber - no article based entirely on announcements, financial reports, interviews, etc. We require Independend Content as per WP:ORGIND. None of the references I can locate meet the requirements for establishing notability and none of the Keep !votes are provided any reasoning relative to WP:NCORP. <b style="font-family: Courier; color: darkgreen;"> HighKing</b>++ 16:46, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

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 * Comment: Eng Leong Medallic Industries meets both Notability and Notability (organizations and companies). It has been covered in The Straits Times, the newspaper of record of Singapore. It has been covered by the China Daily (a publication in China) and the Business Times (a Singapore business newspaper). It is incorrect to say that The Straits Times or China Daily are local coverage. These reputable sources are not "part of a company's PR echo-chamber". They provide an independently researched overview of the company's history and activities. Cunard (talk) 11:31, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vaticidalprophet (talk) 22:01, 14 February 2021 (UTC)


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