Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Engelbert Sonneborn


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The result was redirect to German presidential election, 2017. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  13:32, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Engelbert Sonneborn

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Single-sourced WP:BLP of a person whose only claim of notability is that he was a minor fringe candidate in a presidential election. As always, this is not a claim of notability that hands a person a free pass over WP:NPOL just because he exists -- to get an article, he would have to either have already had preexisting notability for other reasons, or be able to show quite a lot more than just two pieces of media coverage of which one was written by his own son. Bearcat (talk) 00:45, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 04:59, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 04:59, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep - a quick search finds lots more coverage, in major newspapers and specifically about him (and his candidature), some of which sources are used in the German article on him. Warofdreams talk 22:16, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Most of these sources are about his candidacy. I have been unable to find out more about him than the fact that he is a nice old man. —Kusma (t·c) 18:46, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. There does not seem much more to be said about him than "#REDIRECT German presidential election, 2017". This is a classic case of WP:BLP1E. The main thing he is notable for is that his son used the candidacy to criticise Frank-Walter Steinmeier over the latter's lack of support for Murat Kurnaz, which is probably better placed in articles about Steinmeier or Kurnaz. —Kusma (t·c) 10:41, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 16:43, 5 August 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: no consensus
 * Keep The page on the German Wikipedia has more about him, as well as more more references. There are also other sources (...) that write about him. I don't speak German, but he seems to have significant coverage, and therefore passes the general notability guideline. --Hameltion (talk, contribs) 18:30, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
 * All of these are in the context of the 2017 presidential election, and none of them say anything in depth about him. —Kusma (t·c) 18:46, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. In my opinion it fails WP:NPOLITICIAN.-Umair Aj (talk) 09:21, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete -- WP:NPOLITICIAN fail and there's nothing better out there. K.e.coffman (talk) 03:47, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, L3X1 (distænt write)   )evidence(  20:56, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - I think the treatment by the subject on German WP demonstrates not only importance but the availability of sourcing for encyclopedic biography. There is a difference between a failed candidate for the national legislature and a candidate for national presidency that drew 3/4 of a percent of the vote — which is a historically significant number. Carrite (talk) 18:11, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect to German presidential election, 2017. With all due respect to my fellow Germans over at de-wiki, whose strict inclusion standards I often criticized, this is not really someone who is actually notable outside this one event. He is mentioned in the election's article though, so redirecting makes more sense than deleting. Regards  So Why  08:02, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect to German presidential election, 2017; the mention there is the appropriate level of coverage for this joke candidacy.  Sandstein   09:39, 21 August 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.