Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/English as first foreign language initiative


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. JForget 01:58, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

English as first foreign language initiative

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This page has been tagged under three speedy deletion criteria (G12, G11, and A7) and userfied here. It was almost immediately resurrected in mainspace by the creator, this time as a soapbox. Two of the three original speedy criteria still apply, and the creator has been unable to come up with anything but a blog to establish notability. Delete.  Blanchardb - Me•MyEars•MyMouth - timed 05:14, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Hello, I am the creator of the page "English as first foreign language" User:mahdi.mrabet. Following my discussion with User:Nyttend I added a section about the relevence or importance of the subject and I changed a few more things. Then, As User:Nyttend told me I replaced the article when ready.

"The article is now at User:Mahdi.mrabet/English as first foreign language initiative. When you believe that you've demonstrated its importance AND its notability, feel free to move it back to its old title. If you're not sure how to move a page, see Help:Moving a page. Nyttend (talk) 14:49, 27 March 2010 (UTC)"

Followin my discussion with you User Talk:Blanchardb, I added an independent third source about the article which is a news website created and maintained by professional journalists, check it here : Europa 451 About us. I think calling it a "blog" is not accurate. I assume then that I have answered your requirement of an independent third party talking about the initiative. Besides, the initiative is remarkable in what it is trying to achieve and is already known by tens of development organizations. For the promotion issue, I've rewritten the article many times introducing many new angles on the the initiaitve including a "Critique" section and changing, as you required, the "Goals" section by an "Achievement" section. Although, I did not see what was wrong with the article informing about the goals of the initiative ? After all it is an article about the initiaitve, so if you don't know what are the initiative's goals, I don't know how you can have any idea about it.

I consider the notability and importance issues as addressed. You didn't add any specific concerns nor elements about why these issues are not answered. There is nothing promotional about the article, I checked every sentence and every statement is presented as a consideration of the initiative.

Do Not Delete--Mahdi.mrabet (talk) 14:44, 28 March 2010 (UTC) — Mahdi.mrabet (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Delete. Fails WP:ORG. Google shows nothing but a small number of forum posts: . Problems with WP:PROMOTION and WP:COPYVIO: parts of the article copy . — Rankiri (talk) 16:56, 28 March 2010 (UTC)


 * The copyright issue has been solved. Search on Google can be extended (see last page of search google search)--Mahdi.mrabet (talk) 17:00, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I excluded these results from the search for a reason. Wikipedia, Facebook and Linkedin are not reliable secondary sources. Please see WP:N. — Rankiri (talk) 17:09, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Do you see any other place where I could talk about this important issue for the development of African countries (which is the subject of the initiative ?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mahdi.mrabet (talk • contribs) 17:16, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

The article does contain some valuable information about a very important issue related to development as well as some figures. The users of Wikipedia could therefore benefit and make their opinion on those elements if the article was there ... --Mahdi.mrabet (talk) 18:16, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Sorry, but Wikipedia is not the place to publicise things. Facebook, LinkedIn, aboutus and so on are places where you can put your views forward (so far as I know - I don't use them myself). Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, and not a soapbox. Googling for the 'Initiative' gives me 24 hits, seemingly all Facebook, LinkedIn and similar, or forums. While I think the idea of the initiative is perhaps a good one - at least it won't do any harm - it doesn't yet seem to have reached the necessary notability yet for an article here. I've only searched in English. There might be other-language sites. If there are, once again no blogs, forums or editable sites. Peridon (talk) 19:35, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Just read the Europa 451 article. OK - that's a start. It doesn't look like a forum based place - actually looks interesting if you enjoy politics... Peridon (talk) 20:15, 28 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete One additional source doth not an article make. Shii (tock) 20:52, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Can the importance or significance of the subject make up for the notability ? --Mahdi.mrabet (talk) 21:56, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Delete-No,it can't make for the notability, not when all the Google results on the subject are from forms and social networking sites. As said before, Wikipedia is not a place to publicise stuff,use sites like Facebook instead. Dinosaur Dan1 (talk) 22:21, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete obviously a potentially good idea, considering the predominance of english as a lingua franca, but we dont have third party coverage. Mahdi.mrabet, as you are obviously close to this, and will know if and when its mentioned anywhere, when you can collect more (really, any) international coverage, you can recreate it. however, regardless of whether you have released copyright, you will not be able to recreate the whole article, unless all the details of the organization come under discussion. At first, you would have just a stub with  pointers to the website and all the references. later, say when the org. wins the nobel peace prize (one can dream, right), then the details can go here. sincerely, Mercurywoodrose (talk) 01:01, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.