Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Enichkin


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Cirt (talk) 18:10, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Enichkin

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Article is frivolous, no notable sources. Page appears to be used as promotional material by main editor. Mendori (talk) 03:28, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Dear Sirs, my name is Alexander, I am a biographer of Sergey Nazarenko aka Enichkin, who follows up his music career from origin till now on. Wikipedia's page of the same name, recently founded with Enichkin's permission, serves the purpose to assemble biography facts, answers to common questions about the artist and discography confirmed with sources — milestones of the creative already 5 years path, valuable pieces of information that shapes wholehearted, complete story.

Working on this article I followed Wikipedia's guidelines and templates as closely as possible, being inspired with pages of Sting, Burial and Shpongle, that's why your epithets "frivolous, no notable sources" amaze me.

Enichkin is relatively young, yet prolific, touring and generally recognized through psytrance scene (which is not a mainstream, not highly covered with mass media) including a living legend Goa Gil (check his charts via referring link). In short, psytrance scene exists between studio releases and open-airs without a great number of "notable sources". Just visit other psytrance musicians pages (via Category link) and get an evidence of that. Even so, people search for it indeed.

I do focus on Enichkin's music career and related things that answer and inspire, intentionally omitting private life, pets, some hobbies without connection with his music career (all this really frivolous stuff usually accepted here without a murmur about pop artists). Please, be open-minded, be more specific about what you want, and I'll do my best to satisfy you.

Warm regards from Russia. --AlexanderKraeved (talk) 14:58, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia articles shouldn't be used to draw attention to something. Unless there are independent published sources that cover this artist, Wikipedia should not have an article about him. Looie496 (talk) 01:16, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tim Song (talk) 00:27, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Article lacks independant, reliable sources and is clearly being used for self-promotion. Edward321 (talk) 14:03, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete The main problem here is the notability. In my opinion, Sergey Nazarenko aka Enichkin doesn't meet our criteria for musicians and ensembles. I can't find anything substantial in reliable third-party sources. --Vejvančický (talk) 09:01, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: I can't find significant coverage for this musician. Joe Chill (talk) 19:02, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Dear Sirs, could you find a significant coverage for Kindzadza, C-P-C, Raja Ram? I suppose you could not, because it's not a mainstream. What you say here sounds as "write about popular things confirmed with Rolling stones, Wired and Google Top-10, everything else is immaterial, especially about living persons — oh, it's self-promo". An artist exists, his art exists, people deserve to know about that independently via Wikipedia. Promo notes such as tour dates, flyers, any kind of ads are omitted.

Please, tell me names of notable and reliable third-party sources on dark psytrance scene that would satisfy you? I am aware of one indeed, it is Goa Gil with his chart, who mentions Enichkin several times.

What aspect of criteria for musicians the article does not follow? I ask you once again, please, be more specific, a dry voting for deletion is not constructive. For example, Enichkin's discography confirmed with labels' sites includes "two or more albums", his last album is released on Avatar records that founded in 1997 and is a subsidiary of NMC Music / Sony Israel (Sony Asia Music).

Warm regards from Russia. --AlexanderKraeved (talk) 13:40, 12 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Dear Mr. AlexanderKraeved,
 * this is an encyclopedia, and the fact, that "An artist exists, his art exists" is not sufficient for entry in this encyclopedia. The link which you provide is a chart of Enichkin's collaborator Goa Gill, and it contains only his name. I don't consider it a substantial source. Enichkin's profile at Avatar Rec. is not an independent source, it was written by people promoting his albums. The official website, MySpace, Last.fm and the rest of the references cited in the article is insufficient, the links are not independent. In that case, we could turn Wikipedia into another MySpace. I've found several reviews of his music, however, the information is repetitive. We need more independent sources confirming his significant contribution to the dark psytrance genre. --Vejvančický (talk) 10:50, 13 October 2009 (UTC)


 * In my opinion, Kindzadza is a clear candidate for deletion, I'm not sure with C-P-C, and Raja Ram meets the criteria for musicians . --Vejvančický (talk) 10:50, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.