Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Epiphany Lutheran Church (Lake Worth, Florida)


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The result was delete.  Sandstein  18:25, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Epiphany Lutheran Church (Lake Worth, Florida)

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Non-notable congregation. It received some attention for putting up a tall cross/cell tower in 2009, but fails WP:SUSTAINED. schetm (talk) 06:29, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete or Merge perhaps to Lake Worth, Florida. The article shows nothing beyond local significance.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:29, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails notability guidelines. ωικιωαrrιor ᑫᑫ1ᑫ 17:55, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Concur with IceFishing; not even the cell tower makes this church notable. ωικιωαrrιor ᑫᑫ1ᑫ 13:54, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - see page 21 of the pdf in this scholarly article: dealing with the giant cross/cell tower. It is also mentioned here and in this magazine article. It seems that the church is a pioneer in the disguised cell tower phenomenon. Also, the church was one of a handful of sites that conducted this sociological study. The pastor wrote about it extensively in this general Christian-oriented ministry book and in their denominational seminary journal.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 21:14, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * None of that is significant coverage. The mention on page 21 of the SUSTECH article is just that: a mention. A one sentence mention. Same with the Oxford American article, which presents the cross as a tourist attraction. Apart from the flurry of local SIGCOV in 2009, there hasn't been any since. Two of the other sources you present refer to church merely as the place the pastor works, literally just saying "Douglas Fountain is pastor of Epiphany Lutheran Church, Lake Worth, Florida." That's not SIGCOV. schetm (talk) 16:57, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The implied context of the articles by the pastor is of this particular church, alone. The pastor wouldn't have anything to say about social dynamics had the church not been part of the study.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 21:56, 31 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep, as User:Epiphyllumlover states, the giant cross cell phone tower has brought ongoing coverage to this church.IceFishing (talk) 12:40, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep as there is enough reliable sources coverage in the article to support it's contents or trim appropriately, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 21:41, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 11:55, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   12:53, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete changing to delete because the more I think about it, the more I think the giant-cross-commercial-cell-phone-tower is not sufficient to make this very nice sounding congregation notable. Phone me on my cell if somebody comes up with something more persuasive.  IceFishing (talk) 17:45, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - Nothing that actually meets the criteria for demonstrating sustained notability of the congregation. The cell tower content might be worth merging into a larger page on cell towers, or cell tower disguises. But notability is not inherited, and having a cell tower installed doesn’t give the congregation notability warranting their own separate article. Shelbystripes (talk) 04:01, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete very few congregations with less than 200 members (and actually most less than 2,000 members) are notable, this is not an exception.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:15, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete the notability of the cell tower would be separate from the church, similar to Mickey pylon (which I'm surprised the article exists) – The Grid  ( talk )  15:42, 11 February 2020 (UTC)


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