Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Episcopal Day School


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep, move to Episcopal Day School (Augusta, Georgia), and convert this title to a disambiguation. Orlady's comment is particularly convincing. lifebaka++ 17:29, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Episcopal Day School

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Private elementary/middle school appears to fail WP:ORG. Google search failed to provide any significant secondary source coverage other than this about the Headmaster's getting arrested/charged for DUI. Seeing as this is a private school, the usual outcome of merge/redirect isn't as clear cut here, in my opinion. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 18:57, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Just a note per MelanieN's comment, I would be willing to go for delete and recreate as disambiguation page. Still, I think the page's present form should be deleted. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 14:16, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  -- Ks0stm (T•C•G) 19:01, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Georgia (U.S. state)-related deletion discussions.  -- Ks0stm (T•C•G) 19:02, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Delete - Agree there is a nearly total lack of secondary source coverage for this school. --Whiteguru (talk) 08:33, 28 April 2011 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Baseball   Watcher  02:59, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Don't merge per usual practice for K-8 schools because the name is not unique; there must be dozens of schools called "Episcopal Day School." --MelanieN (talk) 01:53, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Comment Regarding Ks0stm's suggestion of a disambiguation page: I don't think this is necessary. Although there are dozens of schools in the United States named Episcopal Day School, they do not have (or should not have) Wikipedia articles, and thus no DAB is needed. The only such article aside from the subject under discussion is Episcopal Day School (Pensacola, Florida). It's a K-8 school with no references listed at all and no signficant sources found in a quick search, so it should probably be nominated for deletion as well. --MelanieN (talk) 14:37, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Either way works for me, just whichever consensus hammers out to in this situation. If consensus is to delete outright, that's fine by me, and if consensus is to make a disambig page, that's fine with me too so long as this incarnation is deleted. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 15:04, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

If kept, I think the article about this school should be renamed to Episcopal Day School (Augusta, Georgia), and the title converted to a disambiguation page. The name "Episcopal Day School" is not unique to this school, and this there is no indication that any school is the primary topic for the name. Furthermore, my Google search experience indicates that the generic term "Episcopal day school" is fairly widely used. In addition to this school, instances of the name "Episcopal Day School" include Episcopal Day School (Pensacola, Florida), Episcopal Day School in Brownsville, TX, Episcopal Day School in Southern Pines, North Carolina , one of the two schools that merged in 1987 to form University School of Jackson, Advent Episcopal Day School, All Saint's Episcopal Day School, Holy Trinity Episcopal Day School, St. Francis Episcopal Day School (Texas), St. Patrick's Episcopal Day School, St. Paul's Episcopal Day School, Trinity Episcopal Day School, Bishop Noland Episcopal Day School , St. Luke's Episcopal School , and many more like these. Most of these schools (including some with articles) probably aren't notable, but if individual schools called "Episcopal Day School" are covered (even briefly) in the articles about the churches that sponsor them or the cities where they are located, then there are valid destinations for disambiguation links (even though the schools may not have their own articles) and the existence of a disambiguation page may help discourage the creation of inappropriate articles. --Orlady (talk) 04:30, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Unstrong Keep -- and rename. Although I have not been able to establish clear notability by the general notability guideline, I consider the school's claim of being the first integrated school in the Augusta area, in 1962, to be a powerful assertion of specific notability, and I have found a bit of independent news coverage. Desegregation of southern schools was slow in that era. Apparently Episcopal schools were leaders in desegregation, due largely to a push within the denomination, but this master's thesis and other sources lead me to think that 1962 was relatively early even for an Episcopal school. For example, that thesis and this timeline indicate that in 1962 or 1963, a son of Martin Luther King, Jr., was denied admission to an Episcopal day school in Atlanta (The Lovett School). Additionally, I have found plenty of news coverage of this Augusta Episcopal Day School (for example, a May 4, 2009 article in the Augusta Chronicle, "More students transfer to public schools from private" available from Google cache, plus several news stories about a drunk driving incident involving the headmaster), although I have yet to find any news stories to cite in the Wikipedia article, nor have I found third-party corroboration of desegregation in 1962. Meanwhile, dates and other details suggest that at least one (and possibly all) of the other Augusta private schools listed in Augusta, Georgia was founded as a segregation academy (not something these schools typically highlight in their accounts of their histories). I find it distasteful that Wikipedia would keep articles about the former segregation academies (because they include high school grades) but not the one school that integrated -- and that now competes for students with the former segregation academies. All in all, I support retention of this article on the basis of modest third-party coverage and a strong assertion of notability -- one that I hope can be substantiated from third-party sources.
 * You make an interesting point re: the possible need for a DAB page even if none of the individual schools are notable. I'll look forward to seeing any improvements you can make in the article. --MelanieN (talk) 14:15, 8 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Weak keep; move, and dab. Orlady  provides a convincing  rationale. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:25, 11 May 2011 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.