Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Erand Hoxha


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The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 02:27, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Erand Hoxha

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Article is unsourced and there is no assertion of notability. Additionally, the article fails WP:ATHLETE as the person has not played in a fully professional league. Jogurney (talk) 23:01, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment here is a prior AfD for a similar article that resulted in delete: Articles for deletion/Ndriçim Shtubina. Jogurney (talk) 23:05, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. Jogurney (talk) 23:08, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If I read this site correctly, he has played with his club in the 2007-08 UEFA Cup (eliminated in the second qualifying round) and in the 2008 UEFA Intertoto Cup (eliminated in the second round). Aecis·(away) talk 23:20, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:01, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as doesn't appear to have played in a fully pro league, thus failing WP:ATHLETE - cup apperances for clubs not in fully pro leagues do not count towards it. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  16:19, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Are you sure he doesn't pass as he competed at the highest amateur level in footy in Albania? He may not be noteworthy to you, but he could be a household name in Albania! Govvy (talk) 18:17, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The only sources I found on this player indicate he played in qualifiers for the 2007-08 UEFA Cup and the 2008 Intertoto Cup for KS Besa. He gets two hits on the Tirana Observer website . He's played roughly 50 league matches for KS Besa and doesn't seem like a household name yet. Jogurney (talk) 20:18, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:ATHLETE states that this applies to "People who have competed at the highest amateur level of a sport, usually considered to mean the Olympic Games or World Championships." The highest level for this player would therefore be playing for Albania, which he hasn't done. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  00:03, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * In a good number of countries you can only play footy at armature level because those leagues are not rich enough to be fully-pro. But saying it's not the highest level of football in that country sounds wrong. I am referring to league only here, not the international game. That is a different level all together. At what point do you ask an English or American what a household name is in Albania. We can't represent that from this point of view. On evidence there is a clear indication that he does play at the highest level in Albania if you forget the country team. Does this either mean there is a miss-representation of what he qualifies under or is there a bias to delete because no-one outside Albania knows him? Govvy (talk) 13:03, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps if football were popular enough in Albania for the league to be fully professional, then he would be a household name. Or perhaps if he were good enough, he would play for Albania, or have earned a move to a professional league. But it isn't and he hasn't, and therefore he doesn't pass the WP:ATHLETE criteria. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  00:29, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Govvy makes a valid point. Hoxha's club apparently is good enough to qualify for the UEFA Cup. With the UEFA coefficients rankings, this means that they finished second or third in the Albanian Superliga. So should Hoxha be denied an article because clubs ten places lower in the rankings don't pay all of their players? Aecis·(away) talk 19:55, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If KS Besa were a fully professional club (perhaps it is), I think WP:FOOTYN would support the idea of keeping this article. However, no one has shown that KS Besa is fully professional and the article doesn't even pass WP:N as it is unsourced. Jogurney (talk) 15:33, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 02:45, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Plays in highest level of Albanian football, including international competitions. Nfitz (talk) 00:19, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, Albanian football is weak and not in the scope of WP:ATHLETE. Punkmorten (talk) 19:52, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


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