Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eric Garcia (basketball)


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The result was delete. Consensus is that the sources supplied are not sufficient to show notability of this person. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  09:30, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Eric Garcia (basketball)

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Contested PROD with no removal rationale. The subject hasn't played in any of the leagues listed in the sport-specific notability guidelines, and in fact has only just commenced his professional career at all. While there are references, most of the ones in English seem to be of the "local boy makes good" variety, rather than the level of coverage required for notability. I have no Macedonian abilities, so am happy to be proven wrong in relation to those references. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 22:38, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Colorado-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 23:18, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Basketball-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 23:18, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 23:18, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Honestly, there are plenty of references and information to meet notability guidelines, and he played at Wofford in college, which is notable in itself. I think it has merited and should not be deleted. Potatornado (talk) 14:53, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Per WP:NHOOPS, linked earlier, playing at a given college isn't "notable in itself". BigHaz - Schreit mich an 22:21, 8 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete. Playing in college or an a semi-professional league are not sufficient for notability. Trying to search for better sources is too hard, since he has a common name (I know a teacher with the name name). Bearian (talk) 23:36, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment OK, I just had to respond to your comment here. It's not that hard to search for someone like this. Search for "Eric Garcia" plus "basketball," or "Eric Garcia" plus "Wofford," or any number of combinations. We do have enough information to narrow down the search results. That said, I don't know where the Macedonian league should rank in terms of notability. Garcia did work out for the NBA's Denver Nuggets, so he may at least be at the fringes of Wikipedia worthiness. Zagal e jo^^^ 19:54, 10 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment The article creator is notorious for creating poor basketball player articles for pretty much anyone (especially Americans/imports) who joins a Macedonian team – just check the user's historical contributions over the past few weeks/months. Eric Garcia did play in the NCAA and like Zagalejo mentioned, a simple google search of "Eric Garcia basketball" or "Eric Garcia Wofford" brings up plenty of material. However, a first-year player out of Wofford (I personally hadn't heard of this Division 1 school before) heading to Macedonia isn't a player I would create an article for. DaHuzyBru (talk) 03:54, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment His team, MZT Skopje, will play in the ABA League (Adriatic League) which is one of the leagues listed in the sport-specific notability guidelines and Garcia already has a player profile on the leagues official website. That said, he hasn't actually played a game in the league as the season doesn't start until September 29 so technically he doesn't pass WP:NHOOPS yet. Is it better to delete the article now and resurrect it when he has one game under his belt or put this on ice until the season starts and see if he's still on the roster then? - Dammit_steve (talk) 10:37, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
 * With football players, the solution seems to be delete-and-recreate-when if they're on the books at a team in the relevant league and just haven't played yet, so that suggests this is the same process here as well. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 22:18, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, L3X1 (distænt write)  02:52, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom. This editor has been creating literally dozens of pages for players that often do not meet the WP:NHOOPS I have unreviewed a few and added notability tags that the creator has removed without adding sources that prove notability. I don't know if they know what the criteria are or just that they don't agree. If admin could hold off closing I will bundle them here if the participants agree. Domdeparis (talk) 13:01, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment The editor did not seem to be aware of the notabilty criteria. On his talk page here, I asked him to go through his creations and check they meet the different criteria and if not blank the pages and add a db-g7 template to avoid having to go through them ourselves. Domdeparis (talk) 13:46, 15 September 2017 (UTC)


 * 'Comment' Hello to everyone. I just want to apologise for the misunderstanding about notabilty criteria for any of those players, including Eric Garcia. But, about Eric Garcia I can assure you that he played for Wofford college, i`m very close to his present basketball club, so i know all the information about the player. You can just check with normal writing on Google that he played for that college. Also, the season in ABA league starts on 29 September, so...As i said to one of the users, I don`t have bad intentions when i create the articles.  - Mkdbasket2014 (talk) 11:03, 19 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep MZT Skopje plays ABA League that is a completely professional competition. Asturkian (talk) 12:30, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:NHOOPS doesn't mention being in a fully professional league as meeting the requirements. -DJSasso (talk) 12:40, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * But WP:NHOOPS does include the ABA League as one of the notable leagues. That said, Garcia has yet to play there as the first game is still 10 days away. As BigHaz points out above, there is precedence for football players at least to delete and recreate the articles when and if they play in notable leagues. I don't mind if that route is taken, but would raise no objections to wait a few days until the first game is over either. Dammit_steve (talk) 14:40, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Yup but like you said he hasn't played there yet. Per WP:CRYSTAL we must delete as anything (god forbid) could happen between now and then which has unfortunately happened in other sports in the past. I don't follow basketball articles as much but I know I always undelete articles of ice hockey players that were deleted that subsequently meet the criteria so I am sure there are admins that will do that for basketball as well. -DJSasso (talk) 12:04, 20 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete Nothing I could find to meet WP:GNG or WP:NHOOPS. -DJSasso (talk) 12:41, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep I found some significant coverage from reliable sources here and here and here to meet GNG. As an aside, it feels very silly to me to choose to delete an article to be recreated when the season starts in less than 10 days. Garcia won't suddenly become notable as a result of stepping on the floor. The presumption of notability should be predicated on his career to date, in essence saying he is a notable player as proven by playing at a certain level league. If that isn't the case, then we should consider if the ABA League should be listed in the guideline. It may be that football chooses to delete and recreate articles in this instance but in my opinion that is plumb dumb. Why wouldn't you just wait the 10 days and see if he plays for them, as expected, if that's the hang-up? Rikster2 (talk) 18:08, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Second is a blog so wouldn't be good for notability. The presumption of notability is based on if there are likely sources or not, and someone who has met nhoops likely has them. There has to be a line somewhere. That being said, an article that meets nhoops can still be deleted if it a good faith effort to find sources shows that none could be found. -DJSasso (talk) 22:12, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * it's not exactly a blog in the classic sense. This is the Spartanburg newspaper site and on-line news is done this way in today's day and age. Essentially this is a sports feature writer in their on-line edition. But here is a replacement from the same paper if you prefer. Rikster2 (talk) 23:46, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Even then we don't use blogs like this as they don't usually go through the editorial process which is required of a reliable source. Most papers draw a line between their news articles and their blogs online and those labelled blog are usually the equivalent of an opinion piece in traditional newspapers. All that being said the replacement is ok. -DJSasso (talk) 11:21, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Optakeover (U)(T)(C) 17:40, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete college and semi-pro is not enough for notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:07, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * He's fully pro, not semi-pro. The ABA League (Adriatic League), where his team plays, is a fully professinal league and one of the leagues mentioned in WP:NHOOPS. Dammit_steve (talk) 14:10, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, good college players routinely meet GNG so that is not an acceptable answer on its own. Rikster2 (talk) 14:20, 23 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep per Rikster2 newfound sources. Dammit_steve (talk) 14:10, 23 September 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.