Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eric Limeback (2nd nomination)


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The result was keep.  So Why  18:04, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Eric Limeback

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Delete. Limeback's notability: This record was set using the old multiblind style, in which competitors had unlimited time. Limeback took 1:41:51 to complete this. Currently, the national record is 19/20 in under one hour, and the world record is 41/41 (in under one hour). I do not believe a 2008 Canadian record that does not abide by today's rules constitutes notability. Limeback is ranked 37th in the world and 3rd in Canada, so this must refer to his former national records. He has broken the 3blind record 6 times, but since his first blind record 3 other people have also broken the record. His numerous former national 3blind records do contribute a bit of notability. Limeback formerly held the Guinness World Record for the most 3x3x3 cubes solved in 24 hours. However, Guinness is not the authority for cubing records, the World Cube Association is. Where the records overlap, Guinness records are often outdated by several years (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Bhargav_Narasimhan for more discussion of this). The only reason Limeback held this record is that no faster cuber, of which there are 48, had put in the effort to set this obscure Guinness record. Cubing is rapidly gaining popularity, so records more than a few years old (which most of Limeback's are ) are quite outdated. Consider for instance the first on the list - his 2x2x2 single solve record of 1.52 seconds, which is his most notable as it was a North American record. This record has since been broken 7 times and currently stands at 0.58 seconds. In fact, Limeback's record is slower than the current North American 2x2x2 average of five record ; this is particularly notable for 2x2x2 as single solve records result from very lucky scrambles - Limeback's fastest 2x2x2 average at the time was 5.47 seconds. Going down the list a bit: his 3x3x3 average record has been broken 11 times, his 4x4x4 average record has been broken 15 times, even his 3blind record has been broken twice since he set it 5 months ago. I argue that there are too many cubers who have held national records for it to constitute notability. An article about him in the Toronto Star (his home city): this article is about a neat job he got helping build mosaics from Rubik's Cube. Another article in the Star, this one mainly about someone else, but also considering Limeback and one of his national records. I do not believe either of these contributes much notability. Tkwikihelper (talk) 00:09, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
 * 11/11 3x3x3 multiblindfold Canadian record solve
 * 3x3x3 blindfolded solving
 * Guinness World Record
 * Former Canadian records
 * References


 * Keep, notability established by major newspaper. Barbara (WVS) ✐   ✉  22:29, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Can you elaborate? Appearing in a newspaper does not itself provide notability, especially if the subject is a local boy.  One must consider what the article is about.Tkwikihelper (talk) 23:11, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 16:36, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 00:04, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:32, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:32, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Keep I've now added some sourced material to this page. Eric Limeback has been the subject of multiple news stories over the past ten years or so. On this alone he achieves notability as per the WP:BASIC criteria. In addition the 2013 Guinness world record - the marathon Rubik Cube solve - falls under the additional criteria of having won a significant honor in competition.
 * You may be right about the news stories providing notability. However, I disagree that a Guinness World Record should be considered a significant honor in competition, as I discuss above.  Success in major WCA competitions, or WCA records, is the only major source of notability in that regard.  Guinness records are often random (such as cubes solved in 24 hours) and when not random are typically outdated (see above).  In my experience of 6 years of competing I have never heard another cuber mention any cubing Guinness world record.Tkwikihelper (talk) 16:40, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry yes, I should have read your points more carefully. I know Guinness can be outdated and random. Nothing wrong with being outdated but the random bit is a fair point. Anyway I hope we've reached the point that this page can be saved, Thanks either way. Feel free to make edits if you think I've overemphasized the world record bit. Pasicles (talk) 22:55, 21 July 2017 (UTC)


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