Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eric West (4th nomination)


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The result was   delete. The delete comments make the point quite correctly that if this person was genuinely notable, then there would be multiple significant sourcing about him in reliable sources. This does not of course preclude the subject being notable in the future. Black Kite (talk) 19:55, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Eric West
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 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  Cliff  Smith 17:28, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  Cliff  Smith 17:28, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Another puff piece for West sourced by trivial mentions and misrepresented sources. Created at Eric West (actor) to bypass the salt. Has been considerably fixed up since it's creation but still fails to show how this "celebrity" is notable. An unreleased album. Minor music production. Bit parts in single episodes. A part in an unreleased? non notable film. A part in an upcoming film with no indication of wether it is a significant role. Appearing in an advert. Showing up at fashion shows. Where is the notability? West lacks significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Nothing satisfying WP:NACTOR or WP:MUSIC. duffbeerforme (talk) 05:37, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Speedy Delete G4. Obviously same person, obviously still not notable. If the movie he's supposedly in gets produced, I could see this changing, but for now, no no no. --Fbifriday (talk) 06:00, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You have an odd obsession with Eric West. Notability is the publishers of GQ, Vogue and Detail calling him a style innovator on their feature of him. http://www.fingerprintscn.com/:b=firefox13/?day=d2012_181 MTV naming him one of the breakout stars of the year. http://movies.mtv.co.uk/news/breakout-stars-to-watch-in-2012/ou7ynn  Eric joining the cash of NBC's Smash http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151017532542648&set=a.10150479655662648.374575.309259757647&type=1&theater  Being listed at one of the top 500 on IMDB. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0922064/  Madonna is in the top 500. Give it a break. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000187/  24.186.99.125 (talk) 05:55, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Your obsession with Eric West is also odd, inferring that all of these things make him notable. He's shooting for Smash for a week, sounds like a one episode bit part. The MTV article won't open, the GQ article doesn't infer notability, and being listed in the top 500 of IMDB is like saying he's in the top 500 of people on facebook. It does not infer notability. Overall, he fails WP:ENT and should be deleted as such. --Fbifriday (talk) 06:05, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep How is it someone who is named by MTV as the #5 Breakout Star of 2012 by MTV. Featured in Vanity Fair, US Weekly, Make's the top 100 of IMDB - http://www.eric-west.com/blog/2012/06/01/congrats-to-eric-on-making-imdbs-top-100-actors-in-the-world/ to stay the LEAST is up for a speedy delete? This is the biggest joke there is. Madonna isn't even in the top 500 of IMDB right now and cast in Tyler Perry's new movie. This is a joke. 24.186.99.125 (talk) 06:09, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment Per WP:GNG ""Independent of the subject" excludes works produced by those affiliated with the subject or its creator. For example, self-publicity, advertising, self-published material by the subject, the subject's website, autobiographies, and press releases are not considered independent." Thus, you linking to the subject's website as a claim of his notability doesn't matter. And, once again, who's in the top 500 on IMDB is about a persuasive as being in the top 500 in the subscriber list on Youtube. It does not make the subject notable. Only independent, reliable sources with significant coverage do that. --Fbifriday (talk) 06:15, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * keep Not open for debate. JFlash54 (talk) 06:20, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * comment. The MTV feature is airing as we speak and the article loads just fine for me on two MTV sites! http://movies.mtv.co.uk/news/breakout-stars-to-watch-in-2012/ou7ynn  http://movies.tr3s.com/news/breakout-stars-to-watch-in-2012/ou7ynn  5 Breakout Stars to Watch in 201  Eric West Starring in: ‘World War Z’; ‘The Marriage Counselor’  Next Factor: This recording artist and nephew of soul legend Smokey Robinson is taking it to the next level with a plum part opposite Brad Pitt in the biggest zombie epic of all time. After he survives that, Tyler Perry will take West to school in ‘Counselor’ opposite Vanessa Williams and, yes, Kim Kardashian. 24.186.99.125 (talk) 06:24, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment In IMDB, his character isn't even named for the Tyler Perry film, and in World War Z, he's listed as "Jason" without a last name or any other details. The only Jason in the book World War Z appears on one page and has one line. Bit part. Not a major part, and per WP:ENT, entertainers are only notable if "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions.". Bit parts and extra acting is not significant. --Fbifriday (talk) 06:37, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment I guess Tyler Perry has "extras" at all of his movie premieres? http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2759109120/nm0922064 This deletion doesn't make any sense. He's in movies, TV shows, magazines. JFlash54 (talk) 06:49, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment See, this is the problem, you think being at premiers and being in minor roles is notable. Per Wikipedia guidelines, it's not. --Fbifriday (talk) 07:13, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:NACTOR, just a number of small roles and other minor non-notable work. If the "World War Z" film becomes notable when it is released, and if he has a significant role in it, then he might become notable, but that is in the future and we don't have a crystal ball here. CodeTheorist (talk) 07:06, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete Nothing new here. AfD is not a game of "play until you win". Imdb.com is not a suitable source. He fails WP:ENT by even the most lax interpretation. Trusilver  08:15, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Putting down the sources; MTV needs to fill space, the US Weekly mention seems like a 'get a warm body in the studio' mention, and you know what? The Facebook mention of him being on Smash means nothing; I could easily grab the Smash logo from a site and make out the same sign in Microsoft Word in ten minutes, take a picture of it, and proclaim on my Twitter account I'm on my way to a Smash dance rehearsal from the comfort of my sofa in Wisconsin. His roles consist solely of one line or less extra roles. And with the way the IMDb 500 may be measured, it could just be a few browsers F5'ed to death to get him there. It's highly likely his "appearance" on Oprah was as a member of the studio audience. Enough; salt this title, salt the rounded salt title, salt Eric West (entertainer) and Eric West (musician), and stop trying to manipulate our site into thinking he's worthy of an article.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 09:33, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * comment The world's leading weekly magazine needs a warn body? They can have anyone they want. Putting down the world's most important news channel because they need to fill space? There are hundreds of "rising" stars, the worlds largest magazine publishers of the most important magazines around featuring him as a style innovator guess they need to fill pages? Eric is one of the brightest new stars and on many next big thing lists. This all sounds personal. Eric doesn't need to print some random paper and say he is on Smash. He's on MTV as we speak. Jealously is envy. I find it odd that people who don't follow Eric West have such a big opinion on him, with major sources like MTV and Conde Nast he's up for deletion. JFlash54 (talk) 11:11, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep As JFlash54 mentioned. This nomination is interesting. Valid sources have been mentioned, and more importantly the article just a stub. Wendy Williams finds him notable, she talks about him all the time on her show during Hot Topics and had him on. . There are a lot of people much less notable than West with Wiki's. You can't help but wonder who is behind this. Especially when the words #1 publishing company Condé Nast Publications calls him as an innovator, some Wiki users call him not notable. Interesting. N0075 (talk) 15:40, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * comment That's exactly what I mean. People That don't follow Eric have an opinion on him. I just saw the MTV special. He's good enough for MTV but not a Wiki page? He can't even leave his house without being shot by paparazzi. They can't wait for him for Pictures but not good enough for a stub? The same pictures that will end up in US Weekly? http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8156/7583561088_cb88748439_b.jpg  http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8164/7583561240_74e9fd61e2_b.jpg  http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8150/7583576574_599fa419c7_z.jpg  http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7279/7583571368_b2c9e729a3_z.jpg  JFlash54 (talk) 16:00, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: Earlier issues with format and sourcing have not been addressed. So what? As this person is apparently finally receiving recognition in the press (images of Eric West in media being indicative even with the lack of significant coverage), I think we might return this to author User:JFlash54 and encourage he bring it up to speed in a userspace away from article space. Allowing him to work on this stub away from the negtivity could improve the project. If not, then it won't be back.   Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 23:03, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete Same pattern as before. It seems like an elaborate prank and would be funny were it not so pathetic. Whoever this person desperate to get a Wikipedia page is, has no regard for and deliberately ignores the fundamental rules of the site and what counts as a source and is verifiable. Last time the Brad Pitt film he wasn't in was Curious Case of Benjamin Button, this time it's World War Z. Last time the D-list diva girlfriend du jour was Christina Milian, now it's Shontelle. Last time he was on Oprah, now it's Wendy Williams with a hilarious 9 second edited video supposed to be proof. You get the drift. All the while he stands in front of a fake background of all his faves for Us magazine and again name checks Madonna as if mentioning famous people enough will mean he'll somehow become famous himself. How stupid does he think we are? --82.132.249.192 (talk) 22:19, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * comment I think you're stupid.

Note that Eric is on MTV's Breakout List airing on MTV now. Why would he fake US Weekly? lol
 * 1) US Weekly is fake? Screen cap from US Weekly website - http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7125/7635447140_471d9acd6e_b.jpg


 * 1) Shontelle : https://twitter.com/Shontelle_Layne/status/136262003273641984
 * 2) Wendy Williams show? : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONtvW-a6ghs

Can anyone take your opinion seriously? 24.186.99.125 (talk) 07:15, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
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