Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Erich Albrecht


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:43, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Erich Albrecht

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While there was an Erich Albrecht at the University of Kansas, I am unable to verify the rest of his biography, never mind whether he had anything to do with Nazi Germany. Fails WP:V for the most part and WP:N for the rest. (article was prodded over two years ago, but the ProD notice was removed with the speculative "subsequent career may well be notable, needs expansion". No expansion or other improvements were made either by the deprodder or in the follwoing two and a half years. Considering that this may be a WP:BLP which is tagged as an "article related to Nazi Germany", we should be more careful before deciding to keep such unsourced biographies. Fram (talk) 09:52, 15 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Conditional Delete. According to the Biography and Genealogy Master Index (BGMI) there are 9 entries for an Erich (August Gottlieb) Albrecht born in 1907. They are in The Blue Book. Leaders of the English-speaking world 1976 edition. New York: St. Martin's Press, 1976; Who's Who in America 1974-1981 (38th-41st eds.); Who's Who in the World 1974-1977 (2nd and 3rd eds.); Directory of American Scholars 1974, 1978 eds. First, need to verify this is the same person in the article. Also, just being listed isn't necessarily notable (heck, I'm listed in WWIA and, trust me, I'm not notable). If anyone uses those sources to bolster the article, I could change to keep. However, if all they do is repeat what's already listed, I'd still consider the gentleman to be not notable. --Quartermaster (talk) 13:28, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:31, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete No indication of notability. Edward321 (talk) 13:58, 16 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment/Question: Is this the same Erich Albrecht CIC who interviewed A. Hitler's secretary Christa Schroeder in Berchtesgaden 22 May 1945?
 * Referenced in He Was My Chief : The Memoirs of Adolf Hitler's Secretary ISBN:9781848325364 (Hard cover book) 208 p. Schroeder, Christa / Moorhouse, Roger (INT) / Brooks, Geoffrey (TRN) 2009/08 Frontline Books -A whole appendix
 * A Footnote in Leni Riefenstahl: a life - Jürgen Trimborn Schroeder given to CIC officer Erich Albrecht in Berchtesgaden on May 22, 1945, quoted in Christa Schroeder, Er war mein Chef. .
 * An alternative view of her appears in a US Army intelligence report of May 22 1945: ‘Mr Albrecht… interrogated her. She was rather stupid, dumpy and an ardent Nazi.’ Schroeder wrote of this event: ‘After the interrogation was over, Lt Albrecht...had a very friendly conversation with me. When I expressed regret that my whole life, all the years, had been for nothing, he replied, “No, everything has a purpose, nothing is wasted”.’
 * Also quoted in here - The Treatment of Prisoners of War in World War II by S. P. MacKenzie in The Journal of Modern History, Vol. 66, No. 3 (Sep., 1994), pp. 487-520 where reference is made to IWM, Interrogation - Summary no. 1933, by Erich Albrecht


 * (Msrasnw (talk) 23:47, 20 September 2010 (UTC))
 * That's basically the main problem. I am unaware of any biography (outside Wikipedia) linking the University one with the WOII one. They may be the same, they may be different persons, we don't know. We shouldn't have articles linking facts together only because the people involved had the same name.Fram (talk) 06:56, 21 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep: Notable academic with interesting but minor role in WWII history. Have added references to article about academic career. I have had reliable confirmation (but no sourcing) that this academic Albrecht was an intelligence worker at the right time and place - but unfortunately nothing sourced yet confirming this. (Msrasnw (talk) 20:22, 21 September 2010 (UTC))
 * Re: "reliable confirmation". I emailed UoKansas and they suggested they were the same but forward my request for info to a former collegue of Prof. Albrecht and now professor at Davis (Winder McConnell) who knew Prof Albrecht well and he confirmed his employment in US Army (American Intelligence), the hush hush nature of work and his character. (All this was surprisingly qucik and efficient). He also added some extra - but unsourced details. Prof McConnell also wrote a small biographical article on Professor Albrecht which includes a (passing mention of his war) for a German reference work. But he has no citation yet for this. I have asked for this. I have also a link - (article talk page) to his grave and his death was confirmed by Prof. McConnell. (Msrasnw (talk) 10:27, 22 September 2010 (UTC))

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:25, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.

Keep. Msrasnw looks like he can come up with notability. I passed on to this same editor the information from the last Who's Who in America (1981) on Albrecht in which this gentleman appeared. There are still some issues, but I don't see a delete as being warranted at this time. Honest effort by editors, reasonable notability. Let's get this information integrated in the article now. --Quartermaster (talk) 13:41, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete The references as described do not appear to satisfy WP:BIO. Granted, he was a working academic, and granted, he served in Europe in the military, and granted, he wrote and published some things. Are the references cited reliable and independent second-party sources with significant coverage of him, as needed to show notability, or just works by him? It sounds like he had some work products, but how notable and influential are they? A thesis does not establish notability. Interviewing an interesting person does not establish notability. Who's Who and the like are useful for details, but do not establish notability. Edison (talk) 17:31, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
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