Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Erich W. Kopischke


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The result was delete.  Sandstein  12:45, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Erich W. Kopischke

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Non-notable subject that does not meet WP:BASIC.

The 2008 Deseret Morning News Church Almanac listed in the article presumably provides some coverage, but multiple, independent reliable sources that provide significant coverage are required, not just one. The remaining sources in the article are primary, which do not establish notability.

Various WP:BEFORE searches are providing primary source coverage such as a sermon by the subject, but otherwise only fleeting passing mentions and name checks. Not finding the necessary independent, significant coverage in reliable sources to qualify an article. North America1000 23:14, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. North America1000 23:15, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. North America1000 23:15, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
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 * Keep per the arguments above. If North America truly disagreed with the bishop's view, he would take on the only sourced to a bare-bones date listing blog articles on bishops, instead of sourced to full bio articles written by third parties articles as we have on these general authorities.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:35, 3 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment – Regarding the above !vote:
 * It does not provide a valid rationale for article retention.
 * Its thesis is utterly unclear; this article and deletion nomination is about Erich W. Kopischke, not some other subject.
 * Primary sources are just not usable to establish notability.
 * There is no presumed notability for religious subjects on English Wikipedia.
 * – North America1000 01:19, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete as per nom, even if there were notability guidelines that say they are "presumed" notability as per WP:NPERSON "meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included.". Dom from Paris (talk) 16:37, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sam Sailor 13:54, 10 November 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 08:39, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as subject does not meet WP:GNG, and consensus is that LDS leaders are not presumed notable (see discussions in 2014, 2016, 2017, and 2018). Sources in article are not independent (Liahona, lds.org, Church News, and an almanac branded as Deseret News but actually assembled by Church News staff) or not reliable ("Grampa Bill"). Search finds passing mentions in routine coverage of church announcements and events, some quotes in a wire service article about the church's use of social media, and a couple of paragraphs in a Deseret News piece about RootsTech genealogy successes. It doesn't add up to significant coverage of the subject. Open to alternatives if significant coverage emerges. Bakazaka (talk) 05:25, 25 November 2018 (UTC)


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