Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Erick Ambtman


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. The "keep" !votes fail to provide evidence to support his notability under WP:GNG or WP:POLITICIAN. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 05:03, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Erick Ambtman

 * – ( View AfD View log )

This has the look of self-promotion. There are no independent sources. A quick Google doesn't bring up anything useful and substantial. He'd be notable if he was party leader, but the president is not the leader. He's basically the head administrator. He'd be notable if this was for a federal party, but it's not. He doesn't hold public office. He holds a position that nobody else even sought at the time (only half a year ago). Now, I do think many party presidents, even at a provincial level are notable. But this person, based on the current version of this article, is not. Rob (talk) 00:24, 12 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 21:15, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 21:15, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 21:16, 12 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Just because he is a young leader does not mean that his information should not be available on wikipedia. The information is readily available on the Party's Official Website and as the complainant openly stated "party presidents, even at a provincial level are notable". This one user has attacked several Alberta Liberal wikipedia pages and clearly has an agenda to keep them off of wikipedia. User:Vinsher
 * I said "many" were notable. This isn't one.  I haven't "attacked" anything.  I made a page for an eventual Liberal MLA, and added to a number.  I've nominated for deletion articles related to different parties.  This isn't a partisan question.  Unfortunately, no party's web site is considered a reliable source.  I suggest, if you want to keep this article, you actively seek, and add, independent sources that cover him.  For example, a story in a newspaper about him as the primary topic.  --Rob (talk) 18:19, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:50, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
 * It's unusual that you provide no conflicting information or deny that he is the President of the Alberta Liberal Party - a noteworthy position whether you personally deem it to be or not. His photo is in the national newspaper for his work as the President of the Alberta Liberal Party and the article contains independant news sources and referenced his charity work. If there is something factually incorrect, please provide proof.User:Vinsher —Preceding undated comment added 21:39, 17 March 2011 (UTC).
 * It's the other way around. Those wishing inclusion must provide proof of notability.  You need to provide independent reliable sources that show substantial coverage of the subject.  All the claims in the article need appropriate citations.  Sites connected to the subject aren't considered independent, and therefore, not reliable.  If he's been covered by a national newspaper, or anywhere independent and reliable, please include citations in the article.  According to the general notability guideline passing mention is not sufficient to establish notability.  The National Post article said nothing about him; it was just a photo of him standing in the background.  The FFWD article makes minimal mention of him, as the article was principally about David Swann.    --Rob (talk) 00:05, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Keep I think it's fine. --MoonLichen (talk) 03:08, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - Sourcing sucks and article should use his last name, not his familiar first. Notable as head of the Liberal Party in the province of Alberta (evidence). Encyclopedias NEED this sort of information. Carrite (talk) 16:10, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
 * No, he is *NOT* the head of the party. He is the president.  David Swann is the leader (for the moment), and therefore the true head of the party.  The leader is the most powerful and significant person in the party, both inside and outside of the Legislature.  The leader is a essentially a candidate for being premiere in any election, normally sits in the legislature, or seeks to.  The president holds an administrative task, that is legal and clerical in nature.  The president does not hold nor seek any public office.  They have no special legal powers.  If they appear in the media, it's as mere spokesperson for the party.  --Rob (talk) 19:26, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep as per Carrite. –SJ +  18:56, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete As Rob points out, the president of Canadian provincial party is not a leadership position, but an administrative one. I would be very hard pressed to name the president of the prov. party I vote for.  As such, we need significant coverage in secondary sources, which we don't have and I could not find.  The sourcing doesn't meet WP:BASIC, and it may not in the future.  Of course, Mr. Ambtman may go on to bigger things, but doesn't meet the bar at this point.  As a side note, this article also stinks of self-promotion.  The Interior  (Talk) 20:08, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The vast majority of party presidents at the provincial level in Canada don't have their own articles, and notability on Wikipedia is a matter of substantial coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, not a matter of just being able to prove that he exists by pointing to a few passing mentions of his name in coverage of other things. And furthermore, I've never known Rob to harbour any particular bias against the Alberta Liberal Party — in fact, while I could be wrong, I always thought he was a member of it (and whether he actually is or not, the fact that I had that perception at all certainly proves that he doesn't harbour any obvious bias against them.) What I have known him to be, rather, is a strong and persuasive advocate of respecting and following Wikipedia's notability and inclusion policies regardless of what party a political figure is or isn't associated with. Delete per nom. Bearcat (talk) 21:55, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete president of a party is very inside baseball, not a spokesperson or public figure in Canada. Unless notable for something else, we shouldn't have articles on provincial party presidents. - Pictureprovince (talk) 12:52, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Article reads like a resumé. DOn't think political apparatchiks rate their own articles. Not notable otherwise. EncyclopediaUpdaticus (talk) 03:27, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.