Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Erker's Optical (2nd nomination)


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The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  22:29, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Erker's Optical
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The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing General notability guideline and the more detailed Notability (companies) requirement. I have read the 2010 AfD's arguments (ping past participants: User:Drmies (nom), ) and I don't find much merit in the keep arguments. What little coverage I see is in-passing and local. The not-even-present-in-the-article-anymore claim of "the oldest family owned optical company in the United States" is unreferenced, I can't find a valid source for it, is disputed by (granted, PR) and not the least is irrelevant - oldest [type] business in Fooland is not a valid criteria; oldest pharmacy in US or Mexico or barber shop in Poland or whatever have to stand by their coverage in other sources. Finally, this substub seems to focus not even so much on the company but on its founders. At best, this should be merged and redirected to August Erker. By itself, it is a good example of Yellow-Pages like company spam that pollutes categories like my current headache, Category:United States company stubs (sigh... someone, help me clean up this mess...). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 04:44, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. or move to Draft.  Pioneer company, tho there need to be firmer sources for the claims. They're worth looking for, tho ugh they will be in specialist sources Unlike Piotrus, I do think that oldest Foo in Wherever is a possible claim to notability, depending on the significance of the Foo, and the breadth of Wherever -- and the date in relation to the region.(i.e. a church to be notable for being old has to be much older in Massachusetts than in Wyoming.). Theis field is probably big enough ,& W. of the Miss. isa relevant area.
 * I certainly agree the category needs drasticcleanup, but the older firms are the more apt to be of historical interest for the purposes of an encycopedia. I'd start with the newer ones/. DGG ( talk ) 06:11, 3 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Merge to August Erker. According to what was uncovered during the last discussion, either William H. Rau and/or Jessie Tarbox Beals — both of whom were very well known — were the official photographers of the 1904 World's Fair. Given that the Erkers were in St. Louis, it is more likely that they simply supplied material to photographers: . The only source for the claims that the Erkers were the "official photographers" and "supplied Charles Lindbergh" is a statement by one of their descendants reported in a local business rag. As I mentioned previously, this is likely true but the notability of a business needs to hinge on more than statements from relatives. - Location (talk) 16:26, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. North America1000 18:23, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Missouri-related deletion discussions. North America1000 18:23, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. North America1000 18:23, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Redirect for now as I see no obvious signs of better improvement. SwisterTwister   talk  06:26, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge or redirect - Except being owned by an Olympian, I see little notable in it and that is inherited from him. Peterkingiron (talk) 11:40, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 11:19, 11 November 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 06:03, 19 November 2015 (UTC)


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