Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ernest Kabushemeye


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Ambrosiawater (talk) 10:31, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Ernest Kabushemeye

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Subject fails WP:SIGCOV. Primary notability seems to be his death, rather than his career as a politician. Offline independent sources beyond primary sources are not likely to exist (meaning original research would be required to build an article). 4meter4 (talk) 22:45, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 22:56, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 22:56, 14 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep. He has held national office (Burundi's Minister for Mines and Energy), so he passes WP:NPOL. - Tristan Surtel (talk) 17:33, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Presumed notability at NPOL is based on the concept that offline sources would exist for a government official at that level; enough of which to meet WP:BASIC. It's my contention that a Minister of Mines from Burundi, a nation without the infrastructure to produce much independent coverage, is unlikely to have sources beyond government documents which are only accessible if one does original research. In other words, I'm not sure NPOL should countermand the sourcing requirements of GNG in this context given that expanding the article beyond the assassination of the individual is unlikely to ever occur without a researcher doing original research.4meter4 (talk) 19:12, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * From what I've seen in other politician-related deletion discussions, "presumed notability" is usually interpreted as that the person is notable as long as sources show that the person has held the WP:NPOL-passing position. Passing WP:GNG is then not required anymore. If the officeholder would still have to pass GNG, "presumed notability" would be meaningless, as every person (including a politician) passing GNG is notable. Reliable sources (The Washington Post, The New York Times, and Libération show up on Google) confirm that Kabushemeye has indeed held a position passing NPOL. - Tristan Surtel (talk) 19:23, 21 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep. Lots of results in a google book search, in. Probably lots of local Burundi news results, but digitization can be tricky for the 90s. He was a party leader and had a cabinet level position, this was a senior politician.--  Chuka Chief talk 14:43, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * All of the google books hits are about the assassination.4meter4 (talk) 16:39, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗  plicit  23:42, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. The assassination is widely covered in contemporary sources and any concerns about WP:ONEEVENT can be allayed by his status as WP:NPOL. Although it is certainly not the major event of the year, his assassination does feature in at least one footnote of a highly reputable secondary source. —Brigade Piron (talk) 16:31, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Perhaps it would be better to move the article to Assassination of Ernest Kabushemeye given that it is what all of these sources are mainly about.4meter4 (talk) 17:56, 22 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep aside from holding the ministerial position, as party leader of the RPB he was a signatory to the 1995 Burundian Convention of Governance, ample evidence of his prominence within political affairs. He would have been reported on throughout the early 1990s in the Burundian press; assertions that offline sources would not exist for a leading East African politician of that time seem incorrect to me. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 11:43, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep - He satisfies NPOL as a government minister, led a political party, and his assassination (mentioned across many sources) heralded a new flare up of political violence in Burundi in 1995 that threatened to derail a coalition government. -Indy beetle (talk) 05:15, 27 July 2021 (UTC)


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