Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ernest William Corfe


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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 20:45, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Ernest William Corfe

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Non-notable dentist. A search for sources produced only a book written by his grandson. The article creator has declared COI as a descendant of the subject. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 19:55, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete a check of Google Books indicates that the subject does not meet GNG. Nothing suggests he would meet SOLDIER for his military service. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:13, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-notable per nom. --Lockley (talk) 02:37, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 13:39, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 13:39, 16 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep. Apparently the first person to serve as a dentist in uniform with the British Army. I would say that makes him notable per WP:SOLDIER #4 and #6. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:19, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 14:19, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * If you check the sources, he was one of the first four dentists to serve in the British army, not the first. I'm not sure how #4 and #6 would be met.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 15:23, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * So effectively one of the four founders of the Royal Army Dental Corps! My comment stands. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:03, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * One of the first four dentists in the field. Nobody mentioned founding. And there are no sources to speak of. and neither of the WP:SOLDIER criteria you mentioned aply: "4. Played an important role in a significant military event such as a major battle or campaign; or 6. Made a material contribution to military science that is indisputably attributed to them." Unless you are saying being a dentist meets #4: an important battle role that makes them notable. Bit of a stretch all around. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 17:06, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The one valid source in the article suggests he was somewhere between #3 and #6 in the dentists sent to the Boer war, based on preliminary work done by others. He's only mentioned in the image caption in this article.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 17:11, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The first four dentists in the British Army (yes, that's what it means - previous "military" dentists had been civilian contractors, not uniformed army officers) were effectively the founders of the RADC, even though they actually served with the Royal Army Medical Corps. They were the pioneers for the corps. And yes, I think being the first dentists to serve in the field qualifies as "Played an important role in a significant military event..." -- Necrothesp (talk) 22:59, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Not that it matters, as this will likely be deleted, but the subject did not found the military dental service, he was merely one of the first four dentist hired to serve in it. Frederick Newland-Pedley did: "On the outbreak of the South African war Newland-Pedley volunteered to accompany Sir Alfred Fripp to the front as dental surgeon to the Imperial Yeomanry Hospital; seventy-five students volunteered to go with him, but were not allowed to proceed. Pedley had to provide all his own equipment and transport it as personal luggage, including three dental chairs and cylinders containing 5,000 gallons of liquid gas. He did sterling work in very difficult circumstances both as oral and dental surgeon, and acted as his own mechanic. He received the medal for the campaign. On his return to England he put forward a scheme in 1901 for the formation of an Army Dental Service".
 * See also this quote: "The first appointed dental surgeon in the British Army was Frederick Newland-Pedley, who qualified in both dentistry... "
 * There is also this book: "the first dental surgeon, Dr Frederick Newland-Pedley, appointed to the British Forces in South Africa..."
 * And according to the History of the Army Dental Corps and Military Dentistry, "The first army dentist was one mister Newland-Pedley of Guy's hospital who traveled to South Africa at his own expense and became the first dental surgeon to treat soldiers on the battlefield".
 * It is easy to find sources saying he was the first British army dentist, look around. BY contrast, all that is available for our subject Corfe are a few very minor mentions and a picture of him standing outside a tent. And just to make that a little sweeter, here is a much clearer picture of Frederick Newalnd-Pedley sitting outside his dental hut in 1900, much before Corfe. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 23:27, 16 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete fails WP:GNG and every head of WP:SOLDIER, if people read #4 it states "Played an important role in a significant military event such as a major battle or campaign" he fails and #6 states "Made a material contribution to military science that is indisputably attributed to them" he fails. Mztourist (talk) 03:51, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete A search on google did not show much sources to meet notability. Nika2020 (talk) 21:53, 18 June 2020 (UTC)


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