Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ero Manga Sensei - My Little Sister and the Locked Room


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to  Tsukasa Fushimi. Or merge from history at editorial discretion, until this work becomes notable.  Sandstein  18:15, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Ero Manga Sensei - My Little Sister and the Locked Room

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This article has simply been created too soon. It is about a book that will not even be released for another month, and it is unlikely the book will satisfy either WP:GNG or WP:BK for a while, certainly not anytime soon. The only sources that have discussed the subject thus far have been those that announced the work was going to be published in December, hardly the level of "significant coverage" stipulated at WP:GNG. I would recommend userfying the article as a subpage of the article's creator, User:KirtZJ, until such time the article gains its own notability (i.e. notability not being inherited from the popularity of Tsukasa Fushimi's other work Oreimo).  十  八  22:54, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions.--  十  八  23:01, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions.--  十  八  23:01, 14 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm not here to argue for or against keeping this article. I will obviously lose either way; merely to reference on article creation in the future. I'll get right to the point. What is the difference between this article and something that is definitely a stub or Wikipedia:start class Or something like Love Stage!! or Nobunagun besides notability? There is no way this series can or will ever go on its own without mention of its predecessor Oreimo simply because–
 * 1)it is the only other planned full length series Tsukasa Fushimi is directly responsible for as far as I have seen.
 * 2)Going back to the notability, the series has only been announced but has an official press release via Dengeki Bunko's website with useful information. There will obviously not be as much hype since it isn't even out and people are of yet unaware of anything else to judge it on
 * 3)in addition to the fact that it will not receive as much attention as series who have received anime and manga adaptations.
 * All I did was compile the current information and there will obviously be more available once the series releases next month, therefore the only way to go is up. It seems unfair that the article should receive the hangman's sentence so easily because of the Notability when it is obvious that it can't achieve that just yet but may gain some level of it in about a month or so when media sources start reviewing its first LN. —KirtZ Message 00:27, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you really expect "media sources to start reviewing its first novel"? From what I've seen in the past, this simply does not happen, and trying to predict that it might seems like WP:CRYSTAL to me. CRYSTAL's 5th point even seems to apply directly to this instance. Besides, both Love Stage!! and Nobunagun have anime adaptations announced, so they have achieved notability per WP:OUTCOMES. Any article must establish its own notability or it's liable to get merged or deleted; why else do we have notability guidelines?
 * I would also like to point out that mention of Oreimo in this article is superfluous. Fushimi has written two other series, a single novel titled Nekosis (also illustrated by Hiro Kanzaki) and his debut series Jūsanbanme no Alice (which ended at 4 volumes). Obviously, only Oreimo has of yet gained its own notability; the author's three other works, including Ero Manga Sensei, have not. This would be a case of WP:INHERIT. On your second point, "an official press release via Dengeki Bunko's website" is not a third-party source, so it doesn't help establish notability.--  十  八  01:58, 15 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment: The big problem with saying other stuff exists (WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS) is that ultimately the only reason other stuff might exist is because they haven't been redirected or nominated for deletion yet. Bringing the other articles up in an AfD is sometimes very counterproductive because in many instances the pages in question are either redirected or nominated for deletion themselves, which is often the opposite of what was the intent behind mentioning them. Now as far as whether or not Oreimo will be mentioned for this series, the comparison will be inevitable, but the big thing we need to remember is that the focus needs to be predominantly on the light novel series. That coverage doesn't seem to be out there just yet, although the benefit of it being the Oreimo author means that there's a higher chance of coverage because of this. I'll do a little research, but so far I'm leaning towards recommending that this gets userfied/incubated until more coverage becomes available. If by some chance this doesn't get any more coverage, I'd probably suggest reaching out to some of the various LN fan translation sites such as BakaTsuki to ask if they'd like to use any of the data. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   05:35, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, the only place I see any mention of Oreimo being in this article is if a reliable source compares Ero Manga Sensei to that series in a review. Just saying in the main article's body that the author also wrote Oreimo is like what book publishers do (By the same author of series!) to gain reader attention, something Wikipedia should not be in the business of doing as it is unencyclopedic. However, if it could be found in an interview by the author that he came up with the idea for Ero Manga Sensei because of the positive reception of Oreimo (which seems to be the case), that would be encyclopedic.--  十  八  06:15, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment: Asked and answered. As I said I wasn't here to debate but I really appreciate you taking the time to reply Juhachi, and for the insight Tokyogirl79. I'll be continuing to collect the information as it becomes available nonetheless. —KirtZ Message 06:05, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete Redirect unless someone wants to userfy. It's probably going to be recreated when an anime adaption is announced. That's how Wikipedia is. DragonZero  ( Talk  ·  Contribs ) 06:09, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment Tsukasa Fushimi is apparently notable as the writer of other notable work (WP:WRITER), and therefore this info could be included in a new article on the author, per WP:NBOOK. --Colapeninsula (talk) 11:48, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
 *  Userfy Merge to Tsukasa Fushimi for now without prejudice against recreation in the future. Although I'm an Oreimo fan myself, as the book hasn't even been released yet, it's too soon to have an article. Apparently Tsukasa Fushimi may be notable enough for his own article, so if someone created an article for him, then this, as well as the book's Japanese name, can be (re)created as redirects to his article (besides; even if this were notable, it would be at the Japanese name since it hasn't been released nor licensed yet). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:48, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Since his article has now been created, I've changed my !vote accordingly (although since this translation is unofficial, the proper redirect should be the Japanese name; I wouldn't mind if this were deleted instead since the translation is not the official English name). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:46, 23 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment - I've created the author's article as a redirect to Oreimo; if someone can write an article for him at that title, then perhaps Ero Manga Sensei can be mentioned over there. If I have time, I'll expand the page and turn the page into a biography. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:59, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SarahStierch (talk) 00:48, 23 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Tsukasa Fushimi. Only coverage is based off of an advertisement and/or press-releases, so the subject itself fails WP:NOTE and WP:BK for lacking independent coverage. Also, the success of a previous light novel series by the same author does not transfer notability on this light novel series. And the presumption that this light novel series will be successful and will establish its own notability falls under WP:CRYSTAL. 24.149.119.20 (talk) 00:08, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.