Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eromo Egbejule (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The deletion arguments more accurately reflect GNG/BASIC.

(I note in passing that there often seems to be discomfort on this point surrounding journalists, but the last attempt to establish a special notability guideline for journalists that I'm aware of, circa 2007 or so, failed to gain consensus. See Notability (journalists).)

-- joe deckertalk 18:44, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Eromo Egbejule
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I did a quick search of this subject and I see no reliable source discussing the subject. Fails WP:GNG Jamie Tubers (talk) 11:22, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
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 * Delete per nom. —Oluwa2Chainz »» (talk to me) 21:49, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
 * See WP:PERNOM. North America1000 08:56, 19 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep At least Google the subject first. Reuters, Daily Mail and US govt. websites are reliable sources. Look here, here and here. Wikimayor  (talk) 23:36, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment those are articles written by the subject. The subject hasn't be discussed in any reliable source. —Oluwa2Chainz »» (talk to me) 07:44, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment I take it you mean "hasn't been", not "hasn't be". Still doesn't take away the fact that this is a writer who has written for reliable sources. What if his policy is not to grant interviews? A notable writer is not the same as a notable celebrity. One discusses in reliable sources and the other is discussed in reliable sources. An unbiased admin should look at the substance of this logic. —Wikimayor »» (talk to me) 07:44, 6 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete: The subject of this article fails WP:GNG. Writing about notable people or for notable newspapers doesn't make one notable. In order for a subject to have a stand alone article, references must show that the subject has been discussed in significant detail.  Versace1608   Wanna Talk? 21:34, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep: Both The Guardian and Ventures Africa have confirmed this person as a notable writer. Also in this publication here it says "Eromo Egbejule for YNaija, part of the Guardian Africa network" while here it says "The Guardian (London) reminds its readers that it has been one year since boko haram massacred an estimated 2,000 people and, in effect, destroyed Baga, a city of 300,000 in northern Nigeria. Its correspondent, Eromo Egbejule reports that the city remains virtually empty, with less than one thousand people still living there." This also affirms that he is a notable reporter. The article appears on the Council on Foreign Relations website. All these couple with the fact that he has written for several notable news medias including Daily Mail and Reuters makes him worthy of a page here on the English Wikipedia. Stanleytux (talk) 11:14, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia's definition of notability is not synonymous with that of the The Guardian and Ventures Africa. The subject fails WP:GNG and there shouldn't be a page about him. The newspaper sources you mentioned only wrote a sentence about him. This is not sufficient for a stand alone article. The Guardian and Ventures Africa sources cannot be considered notable since they are not independent of the subject. The fact that he is a correspondent for The Guardian newspaper shows that it cannot be considered reliable in this instance.  Versace1608   Wanna Talk? 22:00, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Found another news article that talks about Egbejule being a writer and a journalist. This time it's from the CNN, saying CNN iReporter Eromo Egbejule, a Nigerian freelance journalist, attended a protest concert in Lagos Tuesday staged by musician Femi Kuti, son of the legendary Fela Kuti, and said he was proud to be there. "Nigeria loves peace and this is why we are peacefully protesting, even though the Nigerian police and army have inflicted injuries and in some cases, killed innocent people," Egbejule said. From all the reliable sources presented above, it can be derived that "Eromo Egbejule is a Nigerian writer and journalist who has worked for several well known news medias including CNN, Reuters, Daily Mail, YNaija, Ventures Africa and The Guardian, among others. In 2014, he won a grant from the Prince Claus Fund for Culture & Development to lecture in Mexico." Now lets say this was written as a stub article, there are certainly enough reliable sources out there to support these claims. Stanleytux (talk) 00:10, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Again, CNN is not reliable in this instance since he is affiliated with the news source. All of the news websites you've mentioned above are not reliable since the subject is affiliated with all of them.  Versace1608   Wanna Talk? 02:07, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Guess what you are trying to say is that CNN, Reuters, Daily Mail, YNaija, Ventures Africa, The Guardian etc are serving as WP:PRIMARY but what about the Council on Foreign Relations source? Also note that primary sources are generally considered to be independent or third-party sources when reputably published. You can't tell us that CNN, Reuters, Daily Mail, YNaija, Ventures Africa, The Guardian etc aren't reputable news medias. Stanleytux (talk) 05:35, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I am not telling you that those news websites aren't notable overall. I am telling you that the sources you mentioned are not independent of the subject since he is affiliated with them. WP:INDY is an essay and not a Wikipedia policy. Per WP:PSTS, Secondary or tertiary sources are needed to establish the topic's notability and to avoid novel interpretations of primary sources. None of the sources you mentioned are secondary sources. The Council on Foreign Relations blog source is simply an extension of the info reported by The Guardian newspaper. The subject is mentioned because he is the one reporting for The Guardian. Moreover, the subject is only mentioned once in the Council on Foreign Relations article and is not discussed no where in the article.  Versace1608   Wanna Talk? 22:57, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * There are also links to Mail & Guardian, Daily Mail and foreign-language websites in Italian and French. He was also named in the 20 Influential Nigerians Under 20 in this 2010 report where a whole paragraph is dedicated to him. Wikimayor (talk) 09:40, 10 June 2016 (UTC)


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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  DGG ( talk ) 22:51, 12 June 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete: Fails WP:GNG. Most of the "sources" presented in this discussion are not exactly articles discussing this subject, more like writer's profile pages for the websites. that's obviously not the definition of GNG.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 08:55, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment, re 20 Influential Nigerians Under 20, this website is a movie selling site, similar to amazon (with books and authors) so unable to be used for notability. Coolabahapple (talk) 09:36, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 08:56, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:GNG. Samat lib (talk) 13:33, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete - It looks like he's written for plenty of high-profile sources, like Reuters and The Guardian, but publishing alone typically isn't enough to satisfy WP:GNG/WP:BIO. What we need are sources about him or at least citations of peers at other publications (which he does not write for) citing him widely. It may just be a matter of too soon (i.e. we should have an article about him down the road). &mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 03:34, 23 June 2016 (UTC)


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