Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Esmehan Baharnaz Sultan


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The result was   delete. SarahStierch (talk) 17:19, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Esmehan Baharnaz Sultan

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There may be some part of WP:N that this person satisfies but I cannot find any part of the guideline that applies specifically to the the wife, mother, or daughter of a Sultan.

Article has no references at all. Unsurprisingly seems to fail WP:GNG but I have no access to 16th century news publications from the Ottoman Empire. I also found no coverage at all in a Google Scholar search or Google Books search. I tried WP:POLITICIAN but it doesn't cover anything about royalty, presumably because royalty would generally satisfy WP:GNG. I don't see anything in the article that would suggest that the subject satisfies WP:BIO.

I do not feel that being the wife, daughter, or mother of a Sultan infers notability but maybe it should. Without even a single reference, I can't support a WP:IAR argument to keep this article.

I PROD'd the article to try and get the author,, to add some references but they removed the PROD with no explanation. This user has created many similar articles with no references for people whose sole claim of importance seems to be that they were the wife/mother/daughter/concubine or a seemingly notable person. Fülane Hatun would be another prime example but here is a list of all articles they have created.  Ol Yeller21 Talktome  16:48, 9 December 2013 (UTC)


 * delete No sources and no proof of notability.--Jeffrd10 (talk) 17:28, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 19:08, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 19:09, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 19:09, 9 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment. She wasn't even the wife, daughter or mother of a sultan (personally I would have said that these relationships would generally confer notability). She was the granddaughter, niece and daughter-in-law of a sultan. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:14, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, . I'll probably be looking to AfD more article from this author unless there's some precedent that being some close relative to a sultan infers notability.  Do you know if there's any such precedent?  Ol Yeller21  Talktome  16:09, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Not to my knowledge, although I suspect many (myself included) would vote to keep parents, siblings, spouses and children of sovereigns, although not necessarily those with a more distant relationship. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:17, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree with you. For historical entities like this, I don't see a reason to delete when someone has already done the work.  The only reason I support deletion at this point is that there isn't a single reference used to backup the claims made in the article.  I don't usually like using WP:IAR when it comes to notability but I have a hard time believing that an article like this is hurting anything, even considering WP:LOSE.  Ol Yeller21  Talktome  16:27, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete The lack of links to anyone significant other than a non-succeeding child of a sultan suggests to me she was NN. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:46, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete After a search, can't find any significant coverage in reliable sources. Seems a clear case of WP:NOTINHERITED. - ManicSpider (talk) 16:21, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
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