Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Esperanto music


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus to delete   bd2412  T 22:51, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Esperanto music

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Prodded by me with "Very short article. Most of the bands listed are redlinks. Unsourced since forever. Concept does not seem widespread enough for an article." Deprodded with "There are eight interwikis for this, some of which appear to be much more substantial than the English article. This suggests there is more to this topic than has thus far been said in the English article; and that, in turn, seems to me to suggest enough doubt to justify not deleting without discussion."

I still believe that the subject is not widespread enough, as evidenced by the lack of blue links in the artist list and the fact that the article has gone unsourced nearly 5 years. A search for sources found nothing of note — only Wikipedia mirrors and false positives (e.g. "studies include esperanto, music, x, y, z"). Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 01:35, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. There are some sources and scope for expansion here. According to TIME magazine, Bing Crosby sang an Esperanto song in The Road to Singapore. There's a book here which covers Esperanto musicians. Other coverage of Esperanto songs and music: The News (1924) - news article about an Esperanto song book, a news story from The Age (1913) about opera singer Eleanor de Cisneros having songs translated into Esperanto and intending to perform them, a story from the Gadsden Times (1967) about a Hungarian Esperanto song festival. --Michig (talk) 08:10, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
 * All of which pertain only to individual works in Esperanto, and not the concept of Esperanto music as a whole. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 21:20, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Surely the 'concept of Esperanto music as a whole' is the sum concept of the individual works, but perhaps the sources we have would be better used to expand the section in the Esperanto culture article. The article in other languages seem a bit thin on sources. I think a Redirect would be appropriate here.--Michig (talk) 21:31, 5 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep or redirect to Esperanto culture depending on whether sufficient material can be found during normal editing. Clearly a viable article topic one day if not today.  Cusop Dingle (talk) 18:04, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 19:48, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 19:49, 5 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge any sourced/sourceable content to Esperanto culture, as per User:Cusop Dingle, and leave this as a redirect. TPH is correct in saying there is not enough substantial coverage to merit this article (not yet anyway), but it's a plausible search term, and the Esperanto culture article is the ideal redirect target. Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 22:36, 5 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - This is actually List of things relating to Esperanto music and strikes me as an excellent source of useful in-links. Carrite (talk) 01:22, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Esperanto culture per Cusop Dingle. Some merging may be appropriate, particularly from the sections 'Classical music' and 'References to Esperanto in music'. In response to Michig, synthesizing "the sum concept of the individual works" is considered original research and is contrary to policy. Cnilep (talk) 03:14, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I would recommend that you read WP:OR before throwing it around in discussions. Referring to material from reliable sources is not original research. It would only be synthesis if those sources were used to advance a view not directly supported by those sources.--Michig (talk) 06:33, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, exactly; if one were to cite works "which pertain only to individual works in Esperanto" and assert that they surely add up to "the concept of Esperanto music as a whole", one would be advancing a view not directly supported by those sources. Happy editing, Cnilep (talk) 08:27, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * That wasn't what I was saying, and it's the fragmented nature of the coverage found thus far that makes me think redirecting and using those sources to improve the target article would be the best approach. If we had enough sources to create a comprehensive article on the subject it would be a different matter, and it would not be original research or synthesis to do so. Believe what you want though.--Michig (talk) 18:53, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.