Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Essex bus routes 542 and 543


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Stifle (talk) 11:16, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Essex bus routes 542 and 543

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This is an article on a pair of non-notable bus routes: the article makes no assertion of notability, and there is no evidence of notability per WP:GNG's test of "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". (The article has no footnotes, and the only two external links are to primary sources).

This article was WP:PRODded on 27 March, but the PROD was promptly contested on the grounds that "West Midlands bus routes have already been pruned down leaving the notable ones remaining". This is an interesting reason, because the maps I have found place Essex nowhere near the West Midlands (region) ... and whatever the PROD-remover's idea of geography, there is no sign of any reason to treat this topic as notable per the notability guidelines.

There is already a List of bus routes in Essex and an article on the operating company Arriva Shires & Essex, which provide more than sufficient encyclopedic coverage of bus services in the county. Per per WP:NOTTRAVEL and WP:NOTDIRECTORY, the encyclopedia should not try to function as an alternative to the travel information published by the bus companies.

Nothing in this article is verified per WP:V, so none of the content should be merged to other articles. After deletion, the title may of course be re-created as as a redirect, e.g. to List of bus routes in Essex. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:38, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions.  --  Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:38, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions.  --  Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:39, 30 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete Just three years in operation, operated hourly, little/no news coverage. Not even worth a redirect. Aiken   &#9835;  14:35, 30 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete This article fails to meet our general notability guideline. It does not assert notability and does note cite any third-party reliable sources that attest notability. MRSC (talk) 16:06, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:GNG. GNG must be applied here because without significant coverage in reliable sources, it is not possible to have a reliable article. I wouldn't support a merger of anything here, because it all appears to be unverified. --Mkativerata (talk) 19:24, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete sicne it does not appear possible to prevent redirects being reverted to articles on NN subjects, contrary to AFD outcome. Peterkingiron (talk) 20:54, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete or redirect There's nothing here to justify keeping this. Articles on far more notable routes with much longer histories have disappeared on several occassions, and I see no reason why this should be any different. Alzarian16 (talk) 13:24, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:MILL. There must be millions of bus routes in the world, why do we need an article on these two? RadManCF &#x2622; open frequency 17:37, 31 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete - decidedly not notable. ukexpat (talk) 21:50, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Redirect - I created this page, and would prefer it to be kept, as it gives useful information. But, I can understand that the routes are not notable, and should maybe be deleted if no one else wants it. Instead of being deleted, I think it should be redirected onto List of bus routes in Essex. Alex12341000 (talk) 16:15, 1st April 2010 (UTC)
 * Redirect to the list article where they are described, per nom actually. Hobit (talk) 21:39, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Is writing articles about bus lines like collecting stamps? I don't get it. (Don't take it too personal.) Note that there are dozends of articles like these - just look at all the blue links in List of bus routes in Essex (and it's not only this list). What do we want to do about all these? Listify? Merge into single article? Are history sections notable for a list or merged article? Or delete all? Nageh (talk) 20:50, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep bus routes can be notable, and many of them are. They have rich histories, and are in the news a lot For almost any bus route, the information provided is verifiable. This article should be split into two, one for 542, and one for 543. Dew Kane (talk) 04:07, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, every day they are in the news! (Sorry, could not resist.) Nageh (talk) 08:54, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
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