Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Estevan Payan


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The result was delete. WaggersTALK  13:53, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Estevan Payan

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Fails WP:NMMA. His highest ranking by Fight Matrix was 81st in the featherweight division, and he has never previously appeared in Sherdog's rankings.  ♡RAFAEL♡(<b style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;color#FF00FF">talk</b>) 01:12, 1 August 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 05:12, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * <small class="delsort-notice">Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Boxing, Martial arts, United States of America,  and Arizona. <b style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:110%;color:#E285FF"> ♡RAFAEL♡</b>(<b style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;color#FF00FF">talk</b>) 01:12, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails MMA Notability as per WP:NMMA Lethweimaster (talk) 14:22, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep Failing WP:NMMA is irrelevant if WP:GNG is established. There are a lot of articles from MMAJunkie.com that to me go beyond routine.  Then there is the Lethwei World article that due to the style's limited nature in US lends to notability.  There are also some MMAFighting.com and MMAMania.com references.  Going thorough all those, I say GNG is met so keep. RonSigPi (talk) 19:35, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Passing mentions does not constitute significant coverage. There is no claim to notability for the subject which has not won any notable championships WP:ATHLETE. Lethweimaster (talk) 22:11, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Multiple of the references list the fighter name in their title, hardly passing mentions but instead clearly the focus of the references. And I think winning a notable championship is WAY to high a bar for notability. RonSigPi (talk) 08:12, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Comr Melody Idoghor  (talk)  20:04, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The articles from MMAFighting and MMAJunkie are literally just fight announcements with a little bit of info about both fighters padded in. This is pretty routine and standard coverage you come across with most mixed martial artists, nothing significant to pass GNG I'd say. <b style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;font-size:110%;color:#E285FF"> ♡RAFAEL♡</b>(<b style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;color#FF00FF">talk</b>) 16:32, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete It's clear he doesn't meet WP:NMMA and a boxing record of 1-15-1 clearly fails WP:NBOX. His fight for a "world title" in lethwei (a Burmesa martial art) is somewhat dubious given it was his first and only lethwei fight and took place in Wyoming.  Of course, anyone can create a organization and have world championships, but it needs to be a credible organization to show WP notability.  That leaves WP:GNG which is not generally considered to be met by fight results, announcements, and databases--all pro fighters can show those.  The fact that his name appears in an article's title is no indication of meeting WP:GNG when the bulk of the article is just a listing of the fights on that card or of results.  Given his fight records, it's not surprising he's never come close to, much less won, a major title. Papaursa (talk) 19:31, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
 * It wasn't for a world title in Lethwei, I dont know where you saw that. It was also not Lethwei as per World Lethwei Federation, if you read the article. I agree with point mentionned. Lethweimaster (talk) 21:46, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I saw that in the article's fight records section where it says "For the inaugural Cruiserweight World Lethwei Championship Title." Papaursa (talk) 12:10, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I follow Lethwei pretty closely, I know this fight was not for world title. Also no mention of it the article by Lethwei World. They even explain that the fight was not considered Lethwei. Lethweimaster (talk) 17:03, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
 * <p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


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