Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Estonia at the 1912 Summer Olympics


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was delete.  howch e  ng   {chat} 23:13, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Estonia at the 1912 Summer Olympics
Estonia wasn't even an independent country in 1912 (although there were several Estonians in the Russian team). Article is full of factual errors and inaccuracies. There are no other articles about teams in the 1912 olympics yet, so having one on a country that didn't even exist at that time isn't a good idea. Laur 16:50, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Since Estonia wan't independent until 1918 I'm gonna have to go along with Delete --Pboyd04 17:07, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 17:24, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete pn! - FrancisTyers 17:56, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as per above. But, amazingly Estonia did compete at the 1912 games. where they won the one medal indicated at Estonia at the 1912 Summer Olympics, so I'm going to list this athletes name (Hugo Kuusik)at List of Estonians.No Guru 18:18, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm going to change my vote to keep, since we have many other similar articles Denmark at the 1992 Summer Olympics, Jamaica at the 1972 Summer Olympics,Hungary at the 1952 Summer Olympics etc. I'm going to change my vote since Estonia did compete at the 1912 games. No Guru 18:32, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * However, the International Olympic Committee site doesn't list Estonia among its medal winners (see, in the bottom right is a link that will provide a table as a popup). Furthermore, their results database shows no medals for a Kusick (per the site referenced by No Guru) or Kuusik (as listed above). Furthermore, looking more into the site referenced above, if you click on Estonia on that page & then click on the event name, you get this page . It shows an Everard Butler & a Hugo Kusick both getting bronze medals in the same event and it lists both of them under Canada and Estonia. Delete as unverified unless another colloaborating source can be found. -- JLaTondre 02:38, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. The official report of the 1912 Olympic Games can be found here (note: 1426-page PDF file). As indicated on pages 943-44 of the file (numbered as pages 675-76 of the text), the losers of the semi-final matches in men's single scull rowing were E.B. Butler of Canada and M. Kusik of Russia. There is no indication of a third-place match between the two, which would explain why both are listed as bronze medalists. Whatever Mr. Kusik, Kuusik, or Kusick's preferred spelling of his name was, or what his first name was, or what his ethnic background was, he was competing for Russia in 1912, and I have found no indication in the report that Estonia competed independently at that Olympics. If there are Wikipedia editors who want to create articles about the Olympic performance of various nationalities such as Estonians, Ukrainians, Armenians, etc. on the Russian or Soviet teams, I would advise against creating them in this format. --Metropolitan90 06:25, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: In 1912 Estonia was part of Russian Empire and Estonian athletes definitely competed in the Russian team. An article about Estonians in those olympics would be welcome, but this article doesn't even contain a complete list of them (and Hugo Kuusik's name was misspelt as a result of transforming from Latin to Cyrillic and back), so practically nothing could be retained from this article. Also, Kuusik didn't get any prize and his 3rd place is disputed, so it might be inaccurate to list him as "bronze medal" winner. Laur 10:04, 31 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Keep as per above Jcuk 21:01, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep as per above. Bhoeble 21:20, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep and expand. -- JJay 22:01, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, or reconcile with 1912 Summer Olympics medal count. If it is accurate, a more accurate title would be Estonians at the 1912 Summer Olympics as Estonia didn't declare its independence from Russia until 1918. B.Wind 22:52, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. - NeoJustin 02:57, Devember 29, 2005 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.