Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Estrella Falls (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  11:20, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Estrella Falls
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I know there was a recent kerfuffle about malls AND this is a 2nd nom (12 years post-NC), but there is truly no evidence this mall is notable. Its delayed opening was covered, but it subsequently opened and appears from some photos to be a non-descript strip mall. StarM 22:26, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Shopping malls-related deletion discussions.       StarM 22:26, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Arizona-related deletion discussions.       StarM 22:26, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: I would like to see more discussion on the sources listed by MB, and whether the coverage of the mall's "development hell" can be shown to meet WP:GNG.
 * Delete. First off, a note that the "Market at Estrella Falls" strip mall linked by is a different development from just Estrella Falls proper, so some distinction is needed here:
 * If Estrella Falls as a whole had opened, then the entire complex would certainly be notable as a massive multi-use complex. In that case, a description of the adjacent Market would be suitable for inclusion even if it's seen as a separate entity.
 * Since Estrella Falls has not been built other than a theater, the development as a whole falls under a similar case as Articles for deletion/The Mall at Oyster Bay or Articles for deletion/Trillium Circle, where little to no no subequent coverage was given after the initial proposal.
 * The "Market at Estrella Falls" is, again, a separate project from "Estrella Falls" proper. As a strip mall, Market less likely to have any notability on its own, and indeed, has not even gotten the most basic of coverage one usually finds in such developments.
 * tl;dr: Two different properties with similar names and the same developer, neither one is notable, but for different reasons. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 06:14, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that clarification, TPH.      StarM</b> 15:41, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom -- Devoke water  (talk)  16:12, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete - not a single allegation of notability much less any evidence it exists. Many malls are proposed, start construction, and go under. Their own website is 404. Bearian (talk) 20:23, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment it is my, possibly wrong, understanding that if something has survived AfD, it's ineligible for speedy.       <b style="font-family: Verdana; color: #6633FF;">StarM</b> 00:20, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment As stated above, the complex has not been built, only some individually NN parts. But there has been ongoing coverage of the failure of the project to be developed, better uses of the site, etc. Even proposed or failed project can be worthy of articles if there is enough coverage to meet GNG. There seems to be some coverage over a 10-year period. have you seen these? <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 20:51, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Let's rethink Estrella Falls mall in Goodyear in 2015
 * Will West Valley get planned malls? Answers scarce
 * Harkins Opening $14M Theater in Goodyear Next Week
 * No shopping mall … but Goodyear moving closer to new city hall
 * Cleveland investor buys retail center, land adjacent to regional mall site in Goodyear for $49.1 million
 * Malls are evolving so why not in the West Valley?
 * Will West Valley Get Planned Malls? Answers Scarce
 * Goodyear can find better use for prime mall property
 * This retailer is expanding to the West Valley
 * Harkins plans new megaplex movie theater in Goodyear

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  20:32, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


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