Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ethiopian Heritage Museum


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Ethiopian Jews in Israel. Spartaz Humbug! 18:31, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Ethiopian Heritage Museum

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No significant updates to the status of a proposed museum since page creation in 2007. Only one source in article and tagged for update needed since 2008 with no sources added. That sole source is now 404 and WP:BEFORE does not disclose alternatives. Only search result is probably not for this organization due to not being located in same place, no indication of same organizers being involved, not having the same name, and still not being built three years later. Doubtful if this proposal was ever notable and no current evidence of significant coverage in reliable sources. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 06:45, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Museums and libraries-related deletion discussions. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 06:45, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 06:45, 3 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment -- The 2016 news item is probably the culmination of the project described in the article, and may well refer to something notable enough to need an article. I do not know whether there is enough in the article for it to be rescued and restructured into an article on the new centre, with a historical section describing the efforts of the Ethiopian Jews to het such a centre.  Peterkingiron (talk) 16:02, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * , thanks for your input. I thought something similar but if it was the culmination of the effort described in our article, it was an awfully odd one. There is nothing in the Times of Israel article that reasonably establishes any kind of continuity between the projects and the "launch" of the later museum was only an announcement of an intention to actually build it.  I can find no indication that this announcement has resulted in actual building activity or other definite progress.  Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 16:33, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 12:57, 5 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Merge to the existing section Ethiopian Jews in Israel, including by adding reference there. It does look to be a prior plan for what became National Institute for Ethiopian Jewry Heritage Center covered in the 2016 article cited in the deletion nomination.  Add a bit to that section, saying it was planned but didn't happen as expected, apparently, then this probably related result happened. --Doncram (talk) 23:25, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The "Ethiopian Heritage Museum" section title probably should be changed, to broaden the section to be about initiatives to create cultural heritage center(s) in Israel. This 2016 article by a Judy Jaffe-Schagen, titled "Creating Space. The Construction of Ethiopian Heritage and Memory in Israel" provides broader context, about how Israel in the past pressured immigrant/refugee Ethiopian Jews to abandon their heritage, but more recently shifted to seeing the merit of recognizing their heritage, and that this latter approach would actually help in their assimilation.  Anyhow, the article that is target of this AFD can/should be merged to there, and the section should be broadened.  But, right, it probably isn't right for Wikipedia to keep the current article as it is, with its very specific title that was one specific proposal that hasn't panned out.  This is similar to AFD i have seen about some Riverwalk type development in Colorado Springs (?), where the proposal was specific in one name, while the built project took a slightly different name.  It was silly to be deleting the article that was created at the time of the proposal, it just needed to be moved to the new name. --Doncram (talk) 02:20, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment -- The parent section in the article pointed to also clearly cannot survive on its present form. The whole thing seems to fail WP:CRYSTAL.  The 2016 article might constitute the basis for a substitute section.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:54, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, sure the section there should be renamed to something more general like "Movement to create museums" or "Scholarship about, and education of the public in Israel about, Ethiopian Jewish heritage". Because "Ethiopian Heritage Museum" as a specific proposed title of a museum didn't pan out. But it still makes sense as a section to have, and we can have an anchor there.  Okay, I am now defining an anchor there which will still work even if/when the section is renamed.  So I think Ethiopian Heritage Museum can be merged and redirected specifically to Ethiopian Jews in Israel, where there [already is info] about this specific name, within the section whatever is its revised section title [and more needs to be merged, including the source]. --Doncram (talk) 02:29, 10 December 2019 (UTC) [revised --Doncram (talk) 02:59, 14 December 2019 (UTC)]
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ethiopia-related deletion discussions. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:15, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Coffee //  have a ☕️ //  beans  // 04:01, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete or reditrect to the later project Ethiopian Jews in Israel. The current article is about a project that was not carried out and accordingly fails WP:CRYSTAL.  Perhaps one or two sentences from the present content might be merged.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:03, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete or redirect, same as what Peterkingiron said.--SharabSalam (talk) 13:48, 21 December 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.