Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ethnic Bosnians


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Mr.Z-man 01:23, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Ethnic Bosnians

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There is no such thing as ethnic Bosnians, besides the Bosnian Muslims. Bosnian-Serbs, Bosnian-Croats and Bosniaks in Bosnia are all "Bosnians". europemayhem (talk) 05:38, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 06:16, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bosnia-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 06:16, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - original research. We already have an article on Bosniaks. Óðinn (talk) 08:38, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete We also have an article on Bosnians. The articles on Bosniaks and Bosnians have a quality that this article has never had, which is sources and references.  Mandsford (talk) 14:16, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete -- but should not the two just mentioned Bosniaks and Bosnians be merged? Peterkingiron (talk) 23:42, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No. Bosniaks are of a particular cultural and religious heritage. I believe it's considered an ethnicity. Bosnian refers to people who live in Bosnia, but they can be Serbs or Croats or whatever, and don't have to be Bosniak.ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:18, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Correct, Bosnians includes Bosniaks, Bosnian Serbs and Bosnian Croats - Bosnian and Bosniak are not synonymous. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:32, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Weak keep - there is a concept of Bosnian ethnicity popular with some liberal Bosnians who reject belonging to the Bosniak/Bosnian Serb/Bosnian Croat groups. See this source. That said, the article would need completely rewriting if it were kept. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:32, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Larry I'm wondering if this doesn't seem like a neologism in the academic context you presented? How is an ethnic Bosnian different from a Bosnian? ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:57, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd like to hear an (educated) answer to ChildofMidnight's question before voting, or seeing this go to a vote. We must be educated before we vote on such things. Badagnani (talk) 19:05, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Bosnian is a nationality, whereas an ethnic Bosnian in the sense meant in the article I linked to involves a rejection of the ethnic categories usually associated with Bosnian nationality and an assertion of a single Bosnian ethnicity. That's the way I see it. I can't find any other sources though. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:28, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It's an interesting subject. I think it would be good to include the relevant sourced content in the other articles (Bosnian, Bosnia, and maybe Bosniak) if other people agree it's significant. It doesn't seem to be notable enough for its own article though, and also might add to confusion since it's a term that seems to have been invented in response to ethnic strife but isn't well established. Thanks for the discussion and your answer. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:37, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No worries. I think your suggested solution sounds sensible. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:50, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * I see, something like Lao (ethnolinguistic group) and Laotian (multiethnic national identity). There should be an easy way to fix that, however, without resorting to a deletion proposal. Merging or retitling in line with the Lao articles, or other ambiguously named groups would seem to work just fine. Let's utilize "Discussion" and put our heads together rather than resorting to such deletion proposals. Badagnani (talk) 20:03, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.