Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ethnic conflicts in western Poland


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. With the proviso that I'm willing to userfy on request if anyone wants to attempt to salvage any of the content for use on Polish-German relations or any other article. Lankiveil (speak to me) 12:34, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Ethnic conflicts in western Poland

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The article does not even match the title, and what's worse, the title cannot be matched because of its ambiguity.
 * "Western Poland" - where is that supposed to be in a covered period of 1000 years? Poland's borders changed quite often, there is no constant western Poland. What 100 years ago was western Poland is now Central Poland, another 100 years ago it was East Germany. To adapt this part of the title to the article's content, one could change it to "Greater Poland".
 * "Ethnic conflicts" - the article does not only describe ethnic conflicts, but also, in an unbalanced way, historical demography and religious conflicts of Greater Poland. When it comes to ethnic conflicts, the article mainly consists of a section that describes the Germanisation attempts of Prussia in the Province of Posen. Other supposed conflicts with Germans are mentioned "by the way". Not mentioned are Polish-Jewish or any other conflicts.

Next, the article consists - as far as I see without exceptions - of content forks. The main sections are forks of Counterreformation, Germanisation and Prussian Settlement Commission, the other statements are covered in respective articles either.

I see no point in starting to "improve" the article, neither in keeping it at all. (This note is copied from Talk:Ethnic conflicts in western Poland - no discussion or even response since Sept 22; article is orphaned, not taken care of for quite a long time and apparently not watched/cared for by anyone Skäpperöd (talk) 14:40, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, inherently POV and OR. Stifle (talk) 15:43, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 *  Delete  as original research in it's current form. The extremely brief introduction states that this article concerns "Polish-German relations" (a broader, but more concrete, topic than the actual title), and then gives about one paragraph each to that topic in a variety of different eras.  There are three line citations, which is always a good thing, but the problem here is an underlying assumption that there is a multi-generational link between each era on the topic of ethnicity and ethnic relations.  THAT assumption is not cited at all.  Do I believe that people who have lived in the area of modern day Germany have had encounters with people who lived in the area of modern day Poland?  Of course.  Do I believe that events between those peoples in 1565 have a direct relationship to events between such peoples in 1820?  Maybe, maybe not.  Causality is always a challenge for historians even with the most detailed and extensive research, which is not the case here.


 * I'm certain there are numerous published works tracing the historical development between peoples of those two general regions. An article on "german-polish relations" needs to assimilate those published works and present a topic based on them.  This article has not, and there's no evidence it has even attempted to do so.


 * Delete with no prejudice to recreation if a concrete article can be written, with a clear topic and backed entirely by sources that relate to that topic. -Markeer 15:44, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge relevant information to Polish-German relations per Piotrus below. Good catch, hadn't seen there was such an article, and most important, has references to secondary works on that exact subject.-Markeer 19:22, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions.   —Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 17:44, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Poland-related deletion discussions.   —Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 17:44, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge into Polish-German relations. Quite a lot of the content seems salvageable and would be a good expansion for that stub.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 18:11, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge. The merger proposed by Piotrus seems reasonable. I only would welcome addition of several solid sources to support all controversial or debatable statements. Kpjas (talk) 21:23, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete As per the uncommonly cogent observations by the nom. Ecoleetage (talk) 02:03, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete the article does rarely match its title. Parts of the content may be reused to improve the article Polish-German relations. --Kgfleischmann (talk) 03:06, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per Skäpperöd. The article shouldn't be used as a basis for Polish-German relations as it would turn it into a "1000 years of conflicts" article. HerkusMonte (talk) 08:32, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Just delete'''. Too poor to merge. Pavel Vozenilek (talk) 20:59, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom. greg park avenue (talk) 23:17, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Rationale and comments to statement above moved to talk page  Skäpperöd (talk) 07:24, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment-delete for now, but an article of that nature is possible to create, detailing the long millenia of ethnic struggles within Western Poland and Germanisation of local people, reverted in XX century.--Molobo (talk) 19:27, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.