Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Etienne Mermer


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Despite a relatively even vote count, no rebuttal was made to the source analyses which clearly undermine arguments of notability. signed,Rosguill talk 00:03, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Etienne Mermer

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 04:54, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Football,  and Oceania. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 04:54, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Question: has the nominator fulfilled WP:BEFORE? Jack4576 (talk) 05:17, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:36, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - I've added a few sources, and as with the rest of tonight's deletions, there are plenty on the Vanuatu Daily Post in Bismali for the football fans to go through.--IdiotSavant (talk) 10:19, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * - Is routine coverage
 * - Passable
 * - Routine coverage
 * and mentioned once in each article and is routine coverage
 * One source is not enough to satisfy WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 17:16, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak keep, , , , , there is more in the google search., Regards. Govvy (talk) 10:58, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Lets see, the first two are interviews with the subject and therefore are primary sources. The third and fifth sources mentions the subject once and therefore it fails WP:SIGCOV. The fourth source mentions the subject twice and is routine. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 17:13, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Interviews are not 'primary'. GiantSnowman 18:40, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes they are! "The general rule is that any statements made by interviewees about themselves, their activities, or anything they are connected to is considered to have come from a primary source and is also non-independent material. " Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 23:26, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * From OR: JoelleJay (talk) 23:26, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - Per above. Clearly was significant figure and topic of interest in Vanuatu football. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 15:43, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep per sources above which show notability. GiantSnowman 18:40, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. The sources above are routine, trivial, primary, and/or non-independent. The Daily Post piece mentioned as "passable" above by Sportsfan is three trivial sentences in a routine press release from Vanuatu Football so fails SIGCOV, routine, and independence ❌. The youtube interviews are obviously primary and non-independent (WP:OR explicitly includes interviews among examples of primary sources) and so do not count, and anyway they're by the governing football org (OFC) and the government sports ministry so are automatically ineligible to count towards GNG ❌ (and that goes for the other OFC article too). Oceania Football Center is a WordPress blog ❌. The Solomon Star source is a passing mention + quote ❌. Nothing approaching SIGCOV here. JoelleJay (talk) 23:10, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 23:26, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Your nomination is already considered a “delete” vote. Striking double-vote.  Frank   Anchor  03:10, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * This is what 2 hours of sleep does, sorry for the confusion! Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 12:49, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * No problem, thanks!  Frank  Anchor  13:50, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep there is enough non-trivial, non-interview coverage through the provided refs to pass WP:NBIO, which states If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability.  Frank  Anchor  03:13, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Which sources have SIGCOV, as required by NSPORT? Which even have non-routine, non-trivial coverage in SIRS? The only ones that are even independent are a couple of the Daily Post pieces and the Solomon Star source. This is the entirety of the coverage of him:
 * 
 * So please tell me how this adds up to SIGCOV of Mermer??
 * JoelleJay (talk) 18:44, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:GNG due to lack of significant coverage. I agree with the above evaluation of the sources. Alvaldi (talk) 20:19, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - Article fails WP:GNG per the above evaluation of the sources; the only in-depth coverage comes from the VFF, OFC and quotes from the subject himself (which are not independent of the subject). Jogurney (talk) 20:30, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep, passes GNG.--Ortizesp (talk) 20:26, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Can you explain how in light of the source analysis by JoelleJay above? Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 20:31, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * 
 * So please tell me how this adds up to SIGCOV of Mermer??
 * JoelleJay (talk) 18:44, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:GNG due to lack of significant coverage. I agree with the above evaluation of the sources. Alvaldi (talk) 20:19, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - Article fails WP:GNG per the above evaluation of the sources; the only in-depth coverage comes from the VFF, OFC and quotes from the subject himself (which are not independent of the subject). Jogurney (talk) 20:30, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep, passes GNG.--Ortizesp (talk) 20:26, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Can you explain how in light of the source analysis by JoelleJay above? Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 20:31, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Can you explain how in light of the source analysis by JoelleJay above? Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 20:31, 25 May 2023 (UTC)


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