Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eugène de Barral, Count of Barral, 4th Marquess of Montferrat


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The result was delete. ✗ plicit  12:17, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Eugène de Barral, Count of Barral, 4th Marquess of Montferrat

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Fails WP:BIO. More of less copied from the websites. No indication of notability. Seem to be the case that his wife that is notable in the family.  scope_creep Talk  11:31, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment. Did his noble titles mean that he was a member of a state or national parliament? Eastmain (talk • contribs) 13:07, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians and Italy. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 13:07, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi No, nobles of that type are created by Kings and/or Queens, always I couldn't find much on him at all. His wife is a different matter, she got the limelight. She was the lover of two very prominent nobles including a king and that gave her a lot power and prestige, hence the size of her article, which is unsourced but seems to be accurate. For this individual, the info has copied verbatim from an ancestry type site and its very poor. For modern individuals in this kind, then tend to get deleted as best you can say about them is that they are artistocrat, unless they have done something under their own steam. You see that quite often, its something like notable artist, they are usually kept.. Marquess is senior rank, 3 down in rank from a King, so there should be coverage of some kind, but I cant find much of this dude at all. Any three decent references, some archives possibly, would do it me and I can close this up. Hope that helps    scope_creep Talk  15:08, 9 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Royalty and nobility and France.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 15:27, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete: Articles on nobles tend to be funky. Pre-Napoleonic nobility ranked count and above tend to generally be notable, as they had direct rule over their state; however, after that, there isn't really a clear consensus. Generally speaking, states became so centralized in this period that there has to at least be some modicum of WP:GNG (which should in theory be easier, due to the proliferation of media in this period). On this particular subject: it is likely his positions are honorary/genealogical ones (i.e. he held no power): the March of Montferrat ceased to exist in the 16th-century, and the county of Barral (Allevard) was sold in 1817. Curbon7 (talk) 16:24, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Curbon7 (talk) 16:27, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete -- As far as i can tell, he was a NN individual who was ennobled for no clear reason. Perhaps redirect to his wife.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:38, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Adding to that Marquis of Monferrat redirects to a list of rulers. This includes younger sons of the Savoy family who had the duchy as a title (probably without power).  I assume this to be a French title, which is not even listed in that article.   Peterkingiron (talk) 16:13, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Montferrat is Italian, so that part is accurate. Curbon7 (talk) 16:21, 13 July 2022 (UTC)


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