Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eugene Field Elementary School (2nd nomination)


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The result was merge to Park Ridge-Niles School District 64. (non-admin closure) ––Redditaddict69 (talk) (contribs)  07:45, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Eugene Field Elementary School
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Elementary school that doesn't appear to pass WP:NSCHOOL. (Appears to have gotten a pass in 2008 for a reason that doesn't hold up on English Wikipedia these days.) Closeapple (talk) 04:20, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. Closeapple (talk) 04:21, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Closeapple (talk) 04:25, 18 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Merge to Park Ridge-Niles School District 64, per my own nomination and WP:PAGEDECIDE. I think Wikipedia's notability standards and WP:NOTINHERITED standards are tighter than in 2008 when this article was kept, and the reasons given in 2008 are far weaker than they appeared to be at the time anyway.  To wit:
 * Most importantly, the subject seems to fail WP:ORG, unless we can find WP:SIGCOV. See Google News archive search for "Eugene Field" "Park Ridge" -Hillary -Patch.com for example. (I excluded Patch.com because there seems to be some search engine spam on that site that causes news that has nothing to do with Eugene Field to show up.)  If you remove -Hillary from the search, it's mostly just mentions of the school in passing in political profiles.  To be fair, it's difficult to search for this particular school by geography, because this is one of 3 schools with the same name within 30 miles, and Eugene Field lists more than two dozen more across the United States.
 * The arguments for keep in the previous AfD utterly ignored Wikipedia's current WP:SIGCOV standards and were basically 100% what we'd now consider a textbook WP:INHERITED argument that some subject was clearly notable because it had been touched by a imminently-legendary person, which itself seems to have an unhealthy dose of WP:CRYSTAL. Even if a person's aura is big enough to cause that, then it should be easy to show that the touched subject will meet WP:GNG anyway.  Someone probably has to be even more historically significant than Hillary Clinton for every house, school, and job to rise to WP:GNG on its own just because the person was once there.  That requires Category:Abraham Lincoln level historical significance.  Second, the old AfD was in February 2008, the first time everyone was in a fervor about Hillary Clinton being the next president of the United States.  Well, oops&mdash; and oops again.  So the old AfD Keep argument, in retrospect, ends up being about where a U.S. Senator (later U.S. Secretary of State) went to school.  Third, the arguments were equally or more applicable to the school district than the individual school: The article also says she afterward went to Lincoln Middle School (but see note below), presumably the one in District 64, and that school doesn't have a separate article.  Whatever needs to be said about Hillary Clinton in the Park Ridge grade schools can be summarized better across both schools in one school district article: see WP:PAGEDECIDE.
 * --Closeapple (talk) 04:32, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: Despite the claim in the article, https://www.d64.org/communications/district-64-alumna-hillary-clinton says that Clinton went to Field Elementary then Emerson Junior High (which was later torn down and replaced by a new Emerson Middle School). --Closeapple (talk) 05:04, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 06:55, 18 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Merge to Park Ridge-Niles School District 64, per what Closeapple described in leadin sentence. I'm surprised it wasn't touched in the 8 years since the first AfD. – The Grid  ( talk )  14:09, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge per above, and because that's typically what we do. Probably could have been done boldly. And yes, our feelings on WP:INHERIT have changed greatly in 11 years. John from Idegon (talk) 15:31, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge as above. Tacyarg (talk) 09:26, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to Park Ridge-Niles School District 64. Not individually notable but there is encyclopaedic material that can and should be merged. Just Chilling (talk) 22:28, 22 March 2019 (UTC)


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